Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Some grist for the mill... (published in 2010, before bleach fixed the Chinese flu)
- Is the Right Wing Anti-Science?
- Is the Right Wing Anti-Science?
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Why is the Right Wing Anti-Science?
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Altfish
Veteran Member
I think t is intelligent people they are against, because intelligent people can see right through their ********
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Heyo
Veteran Member
Because reality is (no longer) on the side of the right. And by the motto "if you aren't for us, you are against us", the right has declared war on reality.
I don't think "The Right" or "The Left" are monoliths. Each of them are umbrellas that contain a spectrum of beliefs, though they have both increasingly polarized in recent years.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
I agree, but an anti-science attitude seems to have an association with those on the right, rather than the left - as a generalisation. Wondering why...
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Short answer. When you are fighting for being right, you tend to conflate different versions of right. I.e. objective, social/political and existentially. There is more of course, but when you dig in on being right and start adding emotions, critical thinking goes on.
Further aspects
- not enough education.
- education seen as liberal.
- can't understand how the US is failing and good old days gone.
- propaganda based on bias and fear.
Watch out...partially hidden profanity is a rule violation.
We don't want no bloody knuckles in this thread.
Anyway, not all the right is against science.
(Just as not all the left is for it.) There's
diversity in them thar groups. But I suspect
that greater Christian religiosity on the right
tends toward anti-science, eg, vaccination.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Yes, to be clear, I'm not suggesting there's a perfect correlation between the two, but my perception is that it is a trait more likely found in those of a particular political persuasion. It also seems to be an American phenomenon although I could be wrong in that. Maybe it just gets the most attention.
Just looking at anti-vax beliefs, they sure do
correlate with the right, especially MAGAs.
Just yesterday I heard an interview with one,
who said that getting Covid is up to God.
exchemist
Veteran Member
We have it in the UK too. "We've had enough of experts" was the rallying cry, when everybody who knew anything about economics, geopolitics or history said that leaving the EU was a bad idea. And now?.......[cue circus music and clowns]........
It has indeed become a feature of the populist Right to dismiss expertise as the work of "elites", whenever the expert advice is not what they want to hear. This is why, as a long-term conservative voter, I find myself now voting for the Left. (I did my bit getting the Tories out of my local London Borough council - Wandsworth
).Embracing stupidity, ignorance and lies seems to have become a prerequisite for any aspiring politician on the Right these days. Just look at these craven fools in Cabinet. Patel. Truss. George Useless. Mad Nad. And Bozo of course. I despair.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
I did think of the experts comment when writing this but left it out as it was a reference to economics rather than science, although I see it's the same anti-intellectual attitude.We have it in the UK too. "We've had enough of experts" was the rallying cry, when everybody who knew anything about economics said that leaving the EU was a bad idea. And now?.......[cue circus music and clowns]........
It has indeed become a feature of the populist Right to dismiss expertise as the work of "elites", whenever the expert advice is not what they want to hear. This is why, as a long-term conservative voter, I find myself now voting for the Left. (I did my bit getting the Tories out of my local London Borough council - Wandsworth
And thank you for your effort in Wandsworth, I hope it didn't require too much nose-holding.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Not at all. The Tories have been competent administrators in the borough, ever since I first moved to Putney in 1987 and later when I moved to Clapham/Balham in 2002. But any governing group can get complacent and their record on things like social housing is far from stellar. As a well-off retiree I feel a bit guilty about that and would quite like to pay a bit more for better help for the poorer people - many of whom I see at mass every Sunday. So I don't think turning over the council is a bad thing to do. At the very least it will make the local Tories think harder about what to do to regain the people's trust. (Mind you, I also saw the local Tory (ex-) councillor, Caroline, at mass last Sunday...with a face like thunderI did think of the experts comment when writing this but left it out as it was a reference to economics rather than science, although I see it's the same anti-intellectual attitude.
And thank you for your effort in Wandsworth, I hope it didn't require too much nose-holding.
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Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
I'd probably say that if you happen to believe in Bible literalism, a lot of science contradicts what the Bible says, and that just can't be. If you can't trust science, therefore, you probably can't trust history, government, etc. It's easier to hide away than be influenced by "the world."
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I think the fact that most conservatives are also biblical literalists, with evolution vs. creationism being a primary example, kicked off the anti-science sentiment.
It's for the same reason that the right easily swallow cockamamie poppycock conspiracy theories because they've already forgone critical thinking to maintain their fanciful faith.
It's for the same reason that the right easily swallow cockamamie poppycock conspiracy theories because they've already forgone critical thinking to maintain their fanciful faith.
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Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Broad brush, they aren't anymore than anyone else.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Why is it left wingers can't apparently distinguish the difference between a political affiliation and a field of study?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Who has a history of denying evolution, climate change, vaccinations, epidemiology, heliocentrism, spherical earth, etc?
Conservatives.
Not completely true. There are anti-vax people on the left as well as some real loons (crystal power, for example).
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Because a lot of that is used to scare people. "The sky is falling..." There's a hole in the ozone!"
Covids going to kill everyone!" Way overblown.
And evolution is highly debatable.
I'm not sure where you're getting heliocentrism denying conservatives, BTW.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
LOL! The hole in the ozone was a real problem. It is getting better. Do you know why? Because the whole world banned CFC's!!
You are only confirming the OP, you are not helping your side at all.