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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Teritos, Apr 7, 2021.

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  1. Isolde Schulz

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    The cross is also a symbol of 2 paths, meeting to create an "intersection" or nexus of power.
     
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    Since I find the cross was a non-Christian pagan phallic symbol then God did Not choose a mysterious cross.
     
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    I'm sure God didn't choose a mysterious cross, oblivious to the masses. But afterall in graphic imagery, CJ Jung suggests the contrary. His mandalas were cross-based and are an intriguing way to comprehend.
     
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    Were not ancient Hebrews in Egypt for a long time? No wonder why there are many similarities with the Bible. There are also Gods there who were begotten by God and born of a virgin. When Joseph and his family were in Egypt, the cultures apparently mixed.
     
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    This thread is about the biblical view of the cross.
     
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    I find such statements very strange. The fact is that God decided from the beginning that salvation would take place on a wood that has the shape of a cross. So when people wear crosses, they want to symbolize the salvation that God has given. A cross in itself is lifeless and just an object, but what it represents is what makes it so powerful. It is about the meaning behind it.
     
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    We have historical evidence that Jesus died on a cross shape and that the cross was already used as a symbol by the first Christians before the third century.
    The testimony of the early Christians points unanimously to a cross shape. A popular Christian document of the early 100s A.D. compares the cross to the Greek letter “tau” which looks very much like our “t,” and also speaks of the cross prefigured in Moses stretching out his arms over the battlefield of the armies of Israel. Justin Martyr (114-165 AD), who was from Samaria which is between Galilee and Judea where most of Jesus’ ministry took place, wrote that the Passover lamb prefigured not only Jesus but also the cross, because:
    “The lamb, which is roasted, is roasted and dressed up in the form of the cross. For one spit is transfixed right through from the lower parts up to the head, and one across the back, to which are attached the legs of the lamb”
    Irenaeus also describes the cross’s shape as having points both up and down and to each side, as well as mentioning a post on which the nailed person rests. The “Palatine Graphito” (a late second-century piece of Roman graffiti mocking a Christian for worshiping the crucified Jesus) also pictures Jesus’ execution as being on a cross. Even some of the earliest New Testament manuscripts we have found (P45, P66, and P75) abbreviate the Greek word “Stauros” by omitting the “au” in the middle and putting the Greek letters for “t” and “r” on top of one another, causing them to form a “t” shape with a circle over it, or a graphic of a figure crucified on a cross. All of this together constitutes rather broad testimony that the earliest Christians believed that Jesus died with His arms stretched out on a cross. They not only represent early testimony but also lived in the world that Jesus lived in and would know better if crucifixions were not carried out in that manner. Did Jesus die on a stake or a cross? Jehovah's Witnesses and the cross (carm.org)
     
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    The only biblical view of the cross is that it was the common Roman instrument of execution employed in putting Jesus to death.
     
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    *Belated mod post: Thread moved to General Religious Debates*
     
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    Yes, that would be the T-shape I mentioned:
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    I would have to review your other claims, as I'm not overly familiar with the Biblical sources you cite.
     
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    Now I feel like a communist for using asterisks * for my footnotes!
     
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    The number four is important to nature. Carbon can form four covalent bonds allowing it to form larger molecules needed for life. Water can form four hydrogen bonds which is also needed for life. We have four forces of nature. There are four directions; N,S,E,W. The human personality also has four psychological functions; intuition, intellect, emotion and instinct.

    The last is most consistent with the suspension of Jesus on the cross. The two thieves symbolize law of good and evil. This entire symbol symbolizes the ego; outer man, being sacrificed and not making choices. Rather the inner voice or inner man of nature; the four functions, is used to help orientate him with natural reality; faith in the inner voice.
     
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    t not T.

    The sources are in the linked page.
     
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    You can always use the double cross, of course ††.

    Or the triple cross ††† ─ but make sure they're six feet apart.
     
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    The second letter in my post is the lower case tau.
    I know of no variants of the letter that would resemble a Latin t.

    Tau - Wikipedia

    Greek alphabet - Wikipedia
     
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    I have shown you historical evidence that Jesus died on a cross shape, not on a "T shape". I think the earlier Christians who lived in Israel know it better than you, don't you think?
     
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    I think the modern cross may be a bit too top heavy to be truly phallic. Now, a pole on the other hand...
     
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