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Featured Why is the Bible the Final Authority on What is or isn't "Christian"?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sunstone, Sep 27, 2017.

  1. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Oddly, most of the people who believe that the Bible is the final authority on what is or isn't Christian are only fooling themselves. They are always ready to condemn beliefs they don't like as "non-Christian" on the basis of what the various creeds and confessions of faith they believe in have to say on the matter. In other words, there is pretty much no such thing as true Sola Scriptura.
     
  2. siti

    siti Well-Known Member

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    So you decided not look up the history after all then. (Or the spelling).

    PS - you won't get at me by insulting Christianity - I'm not a Christian.
     
  3. David T

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    I have a degree in theology so yea your right of course I am really dumb on this topic. In evolutionary biology we can talk about morphology. Someone might ask when did x happen I could say it happened at y date. Then someone could say but y date isn't correct because z needed to occur. Then I could say incorrect because without m you have no z. So in a sense you are correct, but the question wasn't about morphology because we would keep going back and forth to the beginning of time that wasn't the original question. I could say In regards to when the Bible became authoritative is rooted actually in human perceptions related to the beginning of time!! That's If we want to make this about morphology which the question is not. You obviously are aware of morphology which is a good thing but what is symbiosis? It was only discovered in1870 no one knew it existed in our culture. Is symbiosis a something new or a something forgotten? In a sense darwin is articulating morphology poorly i might add not even original really. ,just check out his painting horridly bad!!!! It's clear symbiosis is completely outside his understanding.
     
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    Oh I see!
     
  5. 1robin

    1robin Christian/Baptist

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    My statement was made in an objective context where the source material in question is external to the persons in question. IOW if two people disagree what is used as the authority concerning who is right.

    Sola Scriptura proven from the Bible! Irrefutable proof texts!

    You also apparently failed to look up the source I gave that goes into this issue in detail.
    http://library.dts.edu/Pages/TL/Special/ICBI_1.pdf

    It's signatories include some of the best theological scholars in history across virtually all traditional mainstream Christian denominations.
    Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy - Wikipedia
     
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  6. Gerry

    Gerry Well-Known Member

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    Bah humbug.

    Christmas should be renamed ‘winter holiday’ and easter is just easter.
    Two holidays little kids love. That’s all. Let them enjoy.
     
  7. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Im okay with em in that respect. Halloween happens to be my favorite holiday!
     
  8. Vaderecta

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    You seem to be grasping where I was going with my line of reasoning based on your responses. Don't fret about grass. Get some planters and plant things that are useful to you and your environment. Grass is just not useful and needs a lot of water, chemicals and time to maintain while it gives back virtually nothing. That grass is a plant and has no edict to command you to care for it. You can't eat it and basically become enslaved to care for it.

    BTW the 40 Virgins comment was an alternate afterlife belief as you said everyone gets a chance to earn heaven. That is a popular belief but it might pale in comparison to other afterlife beliefs. You are free to believe whatever you want to but I always advocate people analyze and evaluate what their actions and their words are doing for those they interact with. (Something we have very little control over) I'm sure you don't want to be talking to me but somehow this little exchange happened.

    I hope all is well mate.
     
  9. Gerry

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    Halloween is great fun too.
     
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  10. Gerry

    Gerry Well-Known Member

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    Actually, there is for me.
    I don’t believe in creeds or tradition.
     
  11. Gerry

    Gerry Well-Known Member

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    Ahh, but they do.
     
  12. Gerry

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    Where? I’m still looking for it.
     
  13. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Well, I'll take your word for it, but if that's the case, you're a rare bird.
     
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    :) unfortunately we can't control that. We just have to accept that the world is full of hypocrites and try not to be one of them
     
  15. Faithofchristian

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    For a Christian the bible always has the final Authority what is or isn't a Christian.

    For 1400 years or so the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church had supreme Authority the scriptures were not allowed for people to read.
    People had to go a priest if they wanted to know anything about the scriptures.

    Only until king James had some 40 Scholars of the Hebrew and Greek language to have the scriptures translated into English.
    This caused the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church to have the Jesuits priest to try and have king James assassinated for his attempt of translating the scriptures into English.
    The Pope wanted to keep people in complete darkness of what the scriptures really were saying.
    The Pope knew if People found out the truth, the Pope would lose totally control over People.
    So to defeat king James bible, The Pope had other Bible's produced to try and defeat the king James bible.

    So back at that time many other Bible's came out so that the Roman Catholic Church could try and keep a hold over People.
    This is why that even to day many Catholic's are still in darkness of what the scriptures actually say.

    Therefore for a Christian the bible has Supreme authority of what is or isn't a Christian.
    But as it is alot of Christians have replace the teachings of the bible with man's teachings and doctrines.

    This is the very reason as to why alot of Christians when confronted on the bible are so easily confused. All because they are taught by man's teachings and doctrines and not what the Bible actually does teach.

    For an example alot of Christians are taught by man's teachings and doctrines that the earth is 6000 years old.
    The bible no where teaches this, actually the bible teaches the opposite, That the earth is Millions if not Billions of years old.

    Man's teachings and doctrines will teach about a rapture.
    But there is no where in the bible that teaches this,.
    What the Bible actually does teach is the opposite, That God is against those who teach people that they will fly ( Raptured) away to save their souls.
     
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    I believe you are suggesting that "Christian" means the totality of possible beliefs as opposed to accreditation and essential belief.

    I got that once from someone who felt my view of the Trinity didn't match up to his. He said I wasn't a Christian. I believe people around me credit me as one and I believe I am one in essential belief but no doubt am a heretic in the sight of those who hold incorrect doctrines.
     
  18. Muffled

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    I believe there is none that I know.
     
  19. Muffled

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    I believe that fits into Paul's view that he should become all things to all people in order to win them to the gospel. So the circumcision was not for Tmothy's benefit but so that he would be accepted by the Jews.
     
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    Gerry,
    The reason people have trouble finding the ONE True Faith, is; they look in the exact opposite place from where they should be looking! Most people look for the most popular preachers in the world, or the largest religious TV programs.
    Jesus was the greatest teacher ever on earth. Was he the most popular? Jesus said if they persecuted him, they would persecute his followers also, John 15:18-21. We are told in the Bible that after the Apostles died, Christianity would start to be adulterated, as false teaching slowly became part of the Churches, 2Thessalonians 2:3-12, Acts 20:28-30, 2Peter 2:1-3. Consider how Paul, so accurately, wrote what would happen after he died, and things would continue to get worse, right down to our day, 2Timothy 4:2-5,
    Consider these Scriptures, please Meditate on what they are saying to us all, Luke 6:22-26. Is it among these people that you
    look?? Or what about these, Matthew 10:22, 24:9, John 16:2,3. Have you ever considered looking among these people, 1:16-20, 1Corinthians 1:26-29.
    You see, it is among the ones most unlikely that God’s people are found!!! Agape!!
     
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