• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

"Why is the Bible so Poorly Written?"

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
So, whatdoyathink? Aside from whatever value you may ascribe to the Bible, is it poorly written or not?
Yes. I haven't read all the sacred scriptures all over the globe or anything, and I haven't read the Mahabharata except in a prose form, but I found the latter story to be far more consistent in characterization, theme, tone, setting, etc. There are lots of cultural variants, but as a whole, it takes the lessons the bible tries to teach and actually teaches it. Jesus tells us not to swear oaths but the Mahabharata is, in part, one huge

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES MAKE OATHS BECAUSE BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

So, yeah. The Old Testament is a set of "church vs state" arguments with a lot of military propaganda and temple justification. The New Testament is "should we stay or should we go" (stay Jewish or just do something else). Multiple authors make it so that you get all the sides, so it's confusing which one to use because most of the "proof" for the sides are threatening violence (in this life or the next) for the other sides. At least in the Mahabharata, something like the entire war in the climax can be traced to a long chain of really stupid behavior, but unlike the bible, you don't see much "but we're going to call them heroes anyway". Okay, the Pandavas are, but it's contradicted by all their actions plus their endings. Bad things happen to biblical heroes too, but the authors seem unable to connect any dots between the behavior and the result. They just make up "and they angered God somehow" answers and ignore entire reams of behavior that practically ensured the ending, whereas the Mahabharata goes to great lengths to shove every reminder of every stupid action down your throat. For example, a trait that still goes on to this day, where a people decide to make someplace their home, but it's already inhabited, so they murder and steal and rape and take ownership of the place, and any survivors or neighbors are ticked off. Instead of saying "Hm, maybe we should've done things differently", they claim God needs to protect them from those evil monsters who attack them totally without provocation.

The Bible was inspired by an infinite God.
But it WASN'T, because ancient gods didn't have omnimax powers, for the most part. Many gods were essentially cultural innovators or something. That's it. "And the God So-And-So brought us knowledge of BBQ, and all was awesome after that." That kind of thing. We have let philosophers over think things to the extent that now God must be omnimax, eternal, etc. I think this is where we went wrong and why it seems like God doesn't do anything now. It's because the power set was more limited originally.

Second, it’s a very personal love letter from a husband to his bride.
Modern societies should be arresting husbands like that.

edit:
"Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker-- An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making say, 'He has no hands '?
There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza. There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza, a hole.

Yes, a flawed product, if sentient, should get to question why it's flawed.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
When the article below first appeared it generated a response by Christians one website described as:
"Right-wing Christians have a white hot emotional meltdown after commentator suggests the Bible is written poorly"

Here, in part, is that article.

"Millions of evangelicals and other Christian fundamentalists believe that the Bible was dictated by God to men who acted essentially as human transcriptionists. If that were the case, one would have to conclude that God is a terrible writer. Many passages in the Bible would get kicked back by any competent editor or writing professor, kicked back with a lot of red ink—often more red than black.

Mixed messages, repetition, bad fact-checking, awkward constructions, inconsistent voice, weak character development, boring tangents, contradictions, passages where nobody can tell what the heck the writer meant to convey. This doesn’t sound like a book that was dictated by a deity.

A well-written book should be clear and concise, with all factual statements accurate and characters neither two-dimensional nor plagued with multiple personality disorder—unless they actually are. A book written by a god should be some of the best writing ever produced. It should beat Shakespeare on enduring relevance, Stephen Hawking on scientific accuracy, Pablo Neruda on poetry, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn on ethical coherence, and Maya Angelou on sheer lucid beauty—just to name a few.

Why does the Bible so fail to meet this mark? One obvious answer, of course, is that neither the Bible nor any derivative work like the Quran or Book of Mormon was actually dictated by the Christian god or other celestial messengers. We humans may yearn for advice that is “god-breathed,” but in reality, our sacred texts were written by fallible human beings, who try as they might, fell short of perfection in the ways we all do.

But why is the Bible so badly written? Falling short of perfection is one thing, but the Bible has been the subject of literally thousands of follow-on books by people who were genuinely trying to figure out what it means. Despite best efforts, their conclusions don’t converge, which is one reason Christianity has fragmented into over 40,000 denominations and non-denominations.

Here are just a few of the reasons for this tangled web of disagreements and the generally terrible quality of much biblical writing (with some notable exceptions) by literary standards. [most of the following reasons have been shortened]

Too Many Cooks
Far from being a single unified whole, the Bible is actually a collection of texts or text fragments from many authors. We don’t know the number of writers precisely, and—despite the ancient traditions that assigned authorship to famous people such as Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John—we don’t know who most of them were. We do know that the men who inscribed the biblical texts had widely different language skills, cultural and technological surroundings, worldviews and supernatural beliefs, along with varying objectives.

Forgery and Counter-Forgery
Best-selling Bible scholar Bart Ehrman has written a whole book about forgery in the New Testament, texts written under the names of famous men to make the writings more credible. This practice was so common among early Christians that nearly half of the books of the New Testament make false authorship claims, while others were assigned famous names after the fact. When books claiming to be written by one person were actually written by several, each seeking to elevate his own point of view, we shouldn’t be surprised if the writing styles clash or they espouse contradictory attitudes.

Histories, Poetries, None-of-These
Christians may treat the Bible as a unified book of divine guidance, but in reality it is a mix of different genres: ancient myths, songs of worship, rule books, poetry, propaganda, gospels (yes, this was a common literary genre), coded political commentary, and mysticism, to name just a few. Translators and church leaders down through the centuries haven’t always known which of these they were reading. Modern comedians sometimes make a living by deliberately garbling genres—for example, by taking statements literally when they are meant figuratively—or distorting things someone else has written or said. Whether they realize it or not, biblical literalists in the pulpit sometimes make a living doing the same thing.

Lost in Translation
The books of the Bible were originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, though not in the modern versions of these languages. (Think of trying to read Chaucer’s Middle English.) When Roman Catholic Christianity ascended, church leaders embraced the Hebrew Bible and translated it into then-modern Latin, calling it the Old Testament. They also translated texts from early Jesus-worshipers and voted on which to include in their canon of scripture. These became the New Testament. Ironically, some New Testament writers themselves had already quoted bad translations of Old Testament scriptures. These multi-layered imperfect translations inspired key doctrines of the Christian faith, the most famous being the Virgin Birth.

Inside Baseball
A lot changes in 2,000 years. As we read the Bible through modern eyes, it helps to remember that we’re getting a glimpse, however imperfectly translated, of the urgent concerns of our Iron Age ancestors.

It’s Not About You
The Gospel According to Matthew (not actually authored by Matthew) was written for an audience of Jews. The author was a recruiter for the ancient equivalent of Jews for Jesus. That is why, in the Matthew account, the Last Supper is timed as a Passover meal. By contrast, the Gospel According to John was written to persuade pagan Roman prospects, so the author timed the events differently. This is just one of many explicit contradictions between the four Gospel accounts of Jesus’s death and resurrection.

The Pig Collection
My friend Sandra had a collection of decorative pigs that started out small. As family and friends learned about it, the collection grew to the point that it began taking over the house. Birthdays, Christmas, vacations, thrift stores…when people saw a pig, they thought of Sandra. Some of the pigs were delightful; others, not so much. Finally, the move to a new house opened an opportunity to do some culling.

The texts of the Bible are a bit of a pig collection. Like Sandra’s pigs, they reflect a wide variety of styles, raw material and artistic vision. From creation stories to Easter stories to the book of Revelation, old collectibles got handed down and inspired new, and folks who gathered this type of material bundled them together into a single collection.
.
.
.
A good culling might do a lot to improve things. Imagine a version of the Bible containing only that which has enduring beauty or usefulness. Unfortunately, the collection in the Bible has been bound together for so long that Christian authorities (with a few exceptions) don’t trust themselves to unbind it. Maybe the thought of deciding what goes and stays feels overwhelming or even dangerous. Or maybe, deep down, Bible-believing evangelicals and other fundamentalists suspect that if they started culling, there wouldn’t be a whole lot left. So, they keep it all, in the process binding themselves to the worldview and very human imperfections of our Iron Age ancestors.

And that’s what makes the Good Book so very bad.
Source and More
So, whatdoyathink? Aside from whatever value you may ascribe to the Bible, is it poorly written or not?

.


I have always asserted that if the bible is genuinely the means that God is using to make certain that his creations know what He wants from them, then this God is a TERRIBLE communicator. Anyone who's ever played the children's game telephone, where everyone sits in a circle and one person whispers a secret into the ear of the person next to them and everyone passes it on it similar fashion until it's gone all the way around the circle, knows it's a lousy way to pass on a message intact. Without exception, the 'secret' gets garbled to some extent if not completely changed by the time it goes all the way around. God was been playing 'telephone' with His WORD for thousands of years. Worse yet, it's been translated into a number of dead languages along the way. No wonder no one can agree on what it says or what it means.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
First, the Bible is perfectly written. The many mistranslations are a problem, but can be overcome with research.

The Bible was inspired by an infinite God. There is nothing wrong with the message, the problem lies with the readers (finite beings), especially the ones who want to find something in it to fit their lopsided worldview. Such as bashing homosexuals.

Second, it’s a very personal love letter from a husband to his bride.

Any book where I have to do research into dead languages in order to understand it was NOT perfectly written.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I just love the historicity, the analogies, the flow and the unrated frankness. The wisdom, the message and the life changing power to it.

A wonderful book, IMV
 

Baroodi

Active Member
(Or do they say: He forged it. Say" Bring then a Sura (Quranic chapter) that resemble it, and recruit to your aid whoever you can, if you are true)

No doubt, one of the miracles of Quran is its linguistic charm. Totally different than what was prevailing up-to-date. With its challenge still alive to present something similar to it or to distort it in anyway. Those who know Arabic, can find this charm. Translating Quran to any other language, take away much of its flavor. it is a supreme art on prosing, storytelling, metaphors, setting examples etc...

Old Arabs were nations of eloquence and rhetoric, they failed to come through that challenge
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
When the article below first appeared it generated a response by Christians one website described as:
"Right-wing Christians have a white hot emotional meltdown after commentator suggests the Bible is written poorly"

Here, in part, is that article.

"Millions of evangelicals and other Christian fundamentalists believe that the Bible was dictated by God to men who acted essentially as human transcriptionists. If that were the case, one would have to conclude that God is a terrible writer. Many passages in the Bible would get kicked back by any competent editor or writing professor, kicked back with a lot of red ink—often more red than black.

Mixed messages, repetition, bad fact-checking, awkward constructions, inconsistent voice, weak character development, boring tangents, contradictions, passages where nobody can tell what the heck the writer meant to convey. This doesn’t sound like a book that was dictated by a deity.

A well-written book should be clear and concise, with all factual statements accurate and characters neither two-dimensional nor plagued with multiple personality disorder—unless they actually are. A book written by a god should be some of the best writing ever produced. It should beat Shakespeare on enduring relevance, Stephen Hawking on scientific accuracy, Pablo Neruda on poetry, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn on ethical coherence, and Maya Angelou on sheer lucid beauty—just to name a few.

Why does the Bible so fail to meet this mark? One obvious answer, of course, is that neither the Bible nor any derivative work like the Quran or Book of Mormon was actually dictated by the Christian god or other celestial messengers. We humans may yearn for advice that is “god-breathed,” but in reality, our sacred texts were written by fallible human beings, who try as they might, fell short of perfection in the ways we all do.

But why is the Bible so badly written? Falling short of perfection is one thing, but the Bible has been the subject of literally thousands of follow-on books by people who were genuinely trying to figure out what it means. Despite best efforts, their conclusions don’t converge, which is one reason Christianity has fragmented into over 40,000 denominations and non-denominations.

Here are just a few of the reasons for this tangled web of disagreements and the generally terrible quality of much biblical writing (with some notable exceptions) by literary standards. [most of the following reasons have been shortened]

Too Many Cooks
Far from being a single unified whole, the Bible is actually a collection of texts or text fragments from many authors. We don’t know the number of writers precisely, and—despite the ancient traditions that assigned authorship to famous people such as Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John—we don’t know who most of them were. We do know that the men who inscribed the biblical texts had widely different language skills, cultural and technological surroundings, worldviews and supernatural beliefs, along with varying objectives.

Forgery and Counter-Forgery
Best-selling Bible scholar Bart Ehrman has written a whole book about forgery in the New Testament, texts written under the names of famous men to make the writings more credible. This practice was so common among early Christians that nearly half of the books of the New Testament make false authorship claims, while others were assigned famous names after the fact. When books claiming to be written by one person were actually written by several, each seeking to elevate his own point of view, we shouldn’t be surprised if the writing styles clash or they espouse contradictory attitudes.

Histories, Poetries, None-of-These
Christians may treat the Bible as a unified book of divine guidance, but in reality it is a mix of different genres: ancient myths, songs of worship, rule books, poetry, propaganda, gospels (yes, this was a common literary genre), coded political commentary, and mysticism, to name just a few. Translators and church leaders down through the centuries haven’t always known which of these they were reading. Modern comedians sometimes make a living by deliberately garbling genres—for example, by taking statements literally when they are meant figuratively—or distorting things someone else has written or said. Whether they realize it or not, biblical literalists in the pulpit sometimes make a living doing the same thing.

Lost in Translation
The books of the Bible were originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, though not in the modern versions of these languages. (Think of trying to read Chaucer’s Middle English.) When Roman Catholic Christianity ascended, church leaders embraced the Hebrew Bible and translated it into then-modern Latin, calling it the Old Testament. They also translated texts from early Jesus-worshipers and voted on which to include in their canon of scripture. These became the New Testament. Ironically, some New Testament writers themselves had already quoted bad translations of Old Testament scriptures. These multi-layered imperfect translations inspired key doctrines of the Christian faith, the most famous being the Virgin Birth.

Inside Baseball
A lot changes in 2,000 years. As we read the Bible through modern eyes, it helps to remember that we’re getting a glimpse, however imperfectly translated, of the urgent concerns of our Iron Age ancestors.

It’s Not About You
The Gospel According to Matthew (not actually authored by Matthew) was written for an audience of Jews. The author was a recruiter for the ancient equivalent of Jews for Jesus. That is why, in the Matthew account, the Last Supper is timed as a Passover meal. By contrast, the Gospel According to John was written to persuade pagan Roman prospects, so the author timed the events differently. This is just one of many explicit contradictions between the four Gospel accounts of Jesus’s death and resurrection.

The Pig Collection
My friend Sandra had a collection of decorative pigs that started out small. As family and friends learned about it, the collection grew to the point that it began taking over the house. Birthdays, Christmas, vacations, thrift stores…when people saw a pig, they thought of Sandra. Some of the pigs were delightful; others, not so much. Finally, the move to a new house opened an opportunity to do some culling.

The texts of the Bible are a bit of a pig collection. Like Sandra’s pigs, they reflect a wide variety of styles, raw material and artistic vision. From creation stories to Easter stories to the book of Revelation, old collectibles got handed down and inspired new, and folks who gathered this type of material bundled them together into a single collection.
.
.
.
A good culling might do a lot to improve things. Imagine a version of the Bible containing only that which has enduring beauty or usefulness. Unfortunately, the collection in the Bible has been bound together for so long that Christian authorities (with a few exceptions) don’t trust themselves to unbind it. Maybe the thought of deciding what goes and stays feels overwhelming or even dangerous. Or maybe, deep down, Bible-believing evangelicals and other fundamentalists suspect that if they started culling, there wouldn’t be a whole lot left. So, they keep it all, in the process binding themselves to the worldview and very human imperfections of our Iron Age ancestors.

And that’s what makes the Good Book so very bad.
Source and More
So, whatdoyathink? Aside from whatever value you may ascribe to the Bible, is it poorly written or not?

.

Although I agree with most of what you have said, my close examination of Genesis and Matthew so far seem to me to represent a well-designed and literarily masterful sort of cobblestone.

It is easy to get the impression that scripture is sometimes sloppily constructed and in my limited view I can't make a full case against it, but I think that some of the repetition may not be properly understood as the literary craft I think that it is. One of the biggest holes that I think is missed is that in Genesis, at least, there seems to be a lot of fragments, but those fragments could just as well be seen as elements of foreshadowing and/or of reference to existing stories that the author wants to include and summarily dismiss. I think there is a lot of Goddess myth deflation actually going on and so some of the fragmentariness may be with the goal of putting the Goddess in Her place, so to speak, as a side bar of a more important story line.

Gotta go...may add more later...
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Good article. The orthodox see the Bible as God written. I don't. Just to suggest it is inane from what I view it. 1000 people can read Websters dictionary and come to the same conclusion. Not so with the Bible.

It's not as much poorly written as it is a hamburger of thoughts. The steak being trimmed, ground up and include some not so steak pieces to feed people. We are told to eat Christs flesh, and the mystery (Jesus and Paul both said) evades most. They want to eat Moses, prophets, Revelations, Jews, etc. etc.

The very verse that dictates what to eat, they refuse to eat.

John:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

If one wants to learn of God, the Spirit will lead them. Not the Bible, Priests, churches or many who say that they know. The Gospel is a seed. And for most, they still see a seed. The seed is useless until it grows and blooms.

The orthodox miss this message, which is the basis of the Word, simple and easy:

"Become zealous about the Word. For the Word's first condition is faith; the second is love; the third is works. Now from these comes life. For the Word is like a grain of wheat. When someone sowed it, he believed in it; and when it sprouted, he loved it, because he looked forward to many grains in the place of one; and when he worked it, he was saved, because he prepared it for food. Again he left some grains to sow. Thus it is also possible for you all to receive the Kingdom of Heaven: unless you receive it through knowledge, you will not be able to find it."- Secret Book of James

Some cannot see the forest for the tree's.

The Bible is not a classroom textbook, nor a dictionary.
To make such a comparison seems as useful as comparing the human eye to dog manure.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
The Bible is not a classroom textbook, nor a dictionary.
To make such a comparison seems as useful as comparing the human eye to dog manure.
Both are books. Both give knowledge. The Bible is a textbook. What is it made up of, dog manure?

How can it be the word spoken by God, when no man has heard God? John 5:37

The Gospel is the Word from God. The only people who said to teach the Bible was the catholic religion who created it.
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
Aside from whatever value you may ascribe to the Bible, is it poorly written or not?
The answer would depend on the criteria used to judge the book with.

When I was given a Qu'ran, I got half way through and couldn't finish it because it bored me to death.
One of the Pentateuch books, Leviticus, bored me to death also, but I forced myself to finish that little part of the Bible.

So, if you read the Bible as you would e.g. a work of literature, you would be disappointed, if you read it as a reference work, you would be stupefied by being unable to find easily what you are searching for. If, however, you read it as a Christian, I myself find it rewarding - there are places to find comfort, places to learn from, places that tell the future, human account stuff about good people and bad people and how God acts toward us at such times.

To me, the Bible transcends the 'good written' / 'poorly written' judgment of our ordinary down to earth material we find. It is about how to find God's approval, be accorded salvation, life - I think it fulfills that mission. Some might find it confusing, others, a turn off, however, it is also a sieve to sift those without faith from those with faith - again, it fulfills its mission. Could it have been written a lot clearer, less confusing to many? Of course, but then it would no longer function as a sieve. This is part of what makes it fun. I give it high marks; and, in regard to answering the question - poorly written or not, that becomes an individual response. I love reading it.:)
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
When the article below first appeared it generated a response by Christians one website described as:
"Right-wing Christians have a white hot emotional meltdown after commentator suggests the Bible is written poorly"

Here, in part, is that article.

"Millions of evangelicals and other Christian fundamentalists believe that the Bible was dictated by God to men who acted essentially as human transcriptionists. If that were the case, one would have to conclude that God is a terrible writer. Many passages in the Bible would get kicked back by any competent editor or writing professor, kicked back with a lot of red ink—often more red than black.

Mixed messages, repetition, bad fact-checking, awkward constructions, inconsistent voice, weak character development, boring tangents, contradictions, passages where nobody can tell what the heck the writer meant to convey. This doesn’t sound like a book that was dictated by a deity.

A well-written book should be clear and concise, with all factual statements accurate and characters neither two-dimensional nor plagued with multiple personality disorder—unless they actually are. A book written by a god should be some of the best writing ever produced. It should beat Shakespeare on enduring relevance, Stephen Hawking on scientific accuracy, Pablo Neruda on poetry, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn on ethical coherence, and Maya Angelou on sheer lucid beauty—just to name a few.

Why does the Bible so fail to meet this mark? One obvious answer, of course, is that neither the Bible nor any derivative work like the Quran or Book of Mormon was actually dictated by the Christian god or other celestial messengers. We humans may yearn for advice that is “god-breathed,” but in reality, our sacred texts were written by fallible human beings, who try as they might, fell short of perfection in the ways we all do.

But why is the Bible so badly written? Falling short of perfection is one thing, but the Bible has been the subject of literally thousands of follow-on books by people who were genuinely trying to figure out what it means. Despite best efforts, their conclusions don’t converge, which is one reason Christianity has fragmented into over 40,000 denominations and non-denominations.

Here are just a few of the reasons for this tangled web of disagreements and the generally terrible quality of much biblical writing (with some notable exceptions) by literary standards. [most of the following reasons have been shortened]

Too Many Cooks
Far from being a single unified whole, the Bible is actually a collection of texts or text fragments from many authors. We don’t know the number of writers precisely, and—despite the ancient traditions that assigned authorship to famous people such as Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John—we don’t know who most of them were. We do know that the men who inscribed the biblical texts had widely different language skills, cultural and technological surroundings, worldviews and supernatural beliefs, along with varying objectives.

Forgery and Counter-Forgery
Best-selling Bible scholar Bart Ehrman has written a whole book about forgery in the New Testament, texts written under the names of famous men to make the writings more credible. This practice was so common among early Christians that nearly half of the books of the New Testament make false authorship claims, while others were assigned famous names after the fact. When books claiming to be written by one person were actually written by several, each seeking to elevate his own point of view, we shouldn’t be surprised if the writing styles clash or they espouse contradictory attitudes.

Histories, Poetries, None-of-These
Christians may treat the Bible as a unified book of divine guidance, but in reality it is a mix of different genres: ancient myths, songs of worship, rule books, poetry, propaganda, gospels (yes, this was a common literary genre), coded political commentary, and mysticism, to name just a few. Translators and church leaders down through the centuries haven’t always known which of these they were reading. Modern comedians sometimes make a living by deliberately garbling genres—for example, by taking statements literally when they are meant figuratively—or distorting things someone else has written or said. Whether they realize it or not, biblical literalists in the pulpit sometimes make a living doing the same thing.

Lost in Translation
The books of the Bible were originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, though not in the modern versions of these languages. (Think of trying to read Chaucer’s Middle English.) When Roman Catholic Christianity ascended, church leaders embraced the Hebrew Bible and translated it into then-modern Latin, calling it the Old Testament. They also translated texts from early Jesus-worshipers and voted on which to include in their canon of scripture. These became the New Testament. Ironically, some New Testament writers themselves had already quoted bad translations of Old Testament scriptures. These multi-layered imperfect translations inspired key doctrines of the Christian faith, the most famous being the Virgin Birth.

Inside Baseball
A lot changes in 2,000 years. As we read the Bible through modern eyes, it helps to remember that we’re getting a glimpse, however imperfectly translated, of the urgent concerns of our Iron Age ancestors.

It’s Not About You
The Gospel According to Matthew (not actually authored by Matthew) was written for an audience of Jews. The author was a recruiter for the ancient equivalent of Jews for Jesus. That is why, in the Matthew account, the Last Supper is timed as a Passover meal. By contrast, the Gospel According to John was written to persuade pagan Roman prospects, so the author timed the events differently. This is just one of many explicit contradictions between the four Gospel accounts of Jesus’s death and resurrection.

The Pig Collection
My friend Sandra had a collection of decorative pigs that started out small. As family and friends learned about it, the collection grew to the point that it began taking over the house. Birthdays, Christmas, vacations, thrift stores…when people saw a pig, they thought of Sandra. Some of the pigs were delightful; others, not so much. Finally, the move to a new house opened an opportunity to do some culling.

The texts of the Bible are a bit of a pig collection. Like Sandra’s pigs, they reflect a wide variety of styles, raw material and artistic vision. From creation stories to Easter stories to the book of Revelation, old collectibles got handed down and inspired new, and folks who gathered this type of material bundled them together into a single collection.
.
.
.
A good culling might do a lot to improve things. Imagine a version of the Bible containing only that which has enduring beauty or usefulness. Unfortunately, the collection in the Bible has been bound together for so long that Christian authorities (with a few exceptions) don’t trust themselves to unbind it. Maybe the thought of deciding what goes and stays feels overwhelming or even dangerous. Or maybe, deep down, Bible-believing evangelicals and other fundamentalists suspect that if they started culling, there wouldn’t be a whole lot left. So, they keep it all, in the process binding themselves to the worldview and very human imperfections of our Iron Age ancestors.

And that’s what makes the Good Book so very bad.
Source and More
So, whatdoyathink? Aside from whatever value you may ascribe to the Bible, is it poorly written or not?

.

I find that there are very few books worth reading more than once. So I think the more relevant questions are: Would you recommend the book to another person? and... Why?

Since the Bible contains many texts that I would not recommend to another person to read. For example, Chronicles include mostly factual information that is of minimal general use.. Cush begat Nimrod, Mizraim begat Ludim, etc, etc. I realize that because it is information of a factual nature that other people might regard those portions of the Bible to be among the "best written" parts. But for me, it fails the "would I recommend someone read it" test. So being "well-written" is not sufficient for me to consider it worthy of attention.

On the other hand, I find some of the more creative portions, such as Psalms, to be interesting enough to read more than once. I don't know if I would recommend Psalms to anyone who didn't share similar interests to my own. Even though Palms is not a collection of facts, I find it to be more interesting than much of the Bible. regardless of whether it is considered to be "well-written".

Finally, there are some portions of the Bible that I might recommend because of their significance, rather than content, factual or creative. Again, it doesn't matter if it is considered to be "well-written" so much as if the material holds particular significance. For example, the first Five Books of the Bible comprise the Torah and are of particular significance. They are core to Judaism. The Four Gospels are also significant because they are core to Christianity. For this reason, I might recommend them to other people. They pass my test regardless of supposed factual nature, creative content, or other imagined "objective" measure such as being "well-written".

A good fantasy novel might do a bit better for someone just looking to enjoy themselves. I might recommend The Hobbit, but I wouldn't recommend the Lord of the Rings trilogy just because some people think it was "well-written".
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I find that there are very few books worth reading more than once. So I think the more relevant questions are: Would you recommend the book to another person? and... Why?
You think your thoughts. I think mine. That's what makes a horse race.

.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
That's actually one of the things that attracted me to it.

People making things up usually have already cleaned things up and leave out human error and flaws completely out of it. Mystery, completely gone.

I mean, the concept of the Trinity alone is enough to make your head spin.

The concept of their being an organic development appeals to me greatly; because that's how life in general is like.

This one of the many reasons why I left LDS and Protestantism in general.

Have a problem with the Trinity? Not a problem.

What about hell? Also not a problem.

One of many reasons why atheism has always been an attraction to me as well. Except of course that it can also lead to interpreting things the worst way possible as well.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
When the article below first appeared it generated a response by Christians one website described as:
"Right-wing Christians have a white hot emotional meltdown after commentator suggests the Bible is written poorly"

Here, in part, is that article.

"Millions of evangelicals and other Christian fundamentalists believe that the Bible was dictated by God to men who acted essentially as human transcriptionists. If that were the case, one would have to conclude that God is a terrible writer. Many passages in the Bible would get kicked back by any competent editor or writing professor, kicked back with a lot of red ink—often more red than black.

Mixed messages, repetition, bad fact-checking, awkward constructions, inconsistent voice, weak character development, boring tangents, contradictions, passages where nobody can tell what the heck the writer meant to convey. This doesn’t sound like a book that was dictated by a deity.

A well-written book should be clear and concise, with all factual statements accurate and characters neither two-dimensional nor plagued with multiple personality disorder—unless they actually are. A book written by a god should be some of the best writing ever produced. It should beat Shakespeare on enduring relevance, Stephen Hawking on scientific accuracy, Pablo Neruda on poetry, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn on ethical coherence, and Maya Angelou on sheer lucid beauty—just to name a few.

Why does the Bible so fail to meet this mark? One obvious answer, of course, is that neither the Bible nor any derivative work like the Quran or Book of Mormon was actually dictated by the Christian god or other celestial messengers. We humans may yearn for advice that is “god-breathed,” but in reality, our sacred texts were written by fallible human beings, who try as they might, fell short of perfection in the ways we all do.

But why is the Bible so badly written? Falling short of perfection is one thing, but the Bible has been the subject of literally thousands of follow-on books by people who were genuinely trying to figure out what it means. Despite best efforts, their conclusions don’t converge, which is one reason Christianity has fragmented into over 40,000 denominations and non-denominations.

Here are just a few of the reasons for this tangled web of disagreements and the generally terrible quality of much biblical writing (with some notable exceptions) by literary standards. [most of the following reasons have been shortened]

Too Many Cooks
Far from being a single unified whole, the Bible is actually a collection of texts or text fragments from many authors. We don’t know the number of writers precisely, and—despite the ancient traditions that assigned authorship to famous people such as Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John—we don’t know who most of them were. We do know that the men who inscribed the biblical texts had widely different language skills, cultural and technological surroundings, worldviews and supernatural beliefs, along with varying objectives.

Forgery and Counter-Forgery
Best-selling Bible scholar Bart Ehrman has written a whole book about forgery in the New Testament, texts written under the names of famous men to make the writings more credible. This practice was so common among early Christians that nearly half of the books of the New Testament make false authorship claims, while others were assigned famous names after the fact. When books claiming to be written by one person were actually written by several, each seeking to elevate his own point of view, we shouldn’t be surprised if the writing styles clash or they espouse contradictory attitudes.

Histories, Poetries, None-of-These
Christians may treat the Bible as a unified book of divine guidance, but in reality it is a mix of different genres: ancient myths, songs of worship, rule books, poetry, propaganda, gospels (yes, this was a common literary genre), coded political commentary, and mysticism, to name just a few. Translators and church leaders down through the centuries haven’t always known which of these they were reading. Modern comedians sometimes make a living by deliberately garbling genres—for example, by taking statements literally when they are meant figuratively—or distorting things someone else has written or said. Whether they realize it or not, biblical literalists in the pulpit sometimes make a living doing the same thing.

Lost in Translation
The books of the Bible were originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, though not in the modern versions of these languages. (Think of trying to read Chaucer’s Middle English.) When Roman Catholic Christianity ascended, church leaders embraced the Hebrew Bible and translated it into then-modern Latin, calling it the Old Testament. They also translated texts from early Jesus-worshipers and voted on which to include in their canon of scripture. These became the New Testament. Ironically, some New Testament writers themselves had already quoted bad translations of Old Testament scriptures. These multi-layered imperfect translations inspired key doctrines of the Christian faith, the most famous being the Virgin Birth.

Inside Baseball
A lot changes in 2,000 years. As we read the Bible through modern eyes, it helps to remember that we’re getting a glimpse, however imperfectly translated, of the urgent concerns of our Iron Age ancestors.

It’s Not About You
The Gospel According to Matthew (not actually authored by Matthew) was written for an audience of Jews. The author was a recruiter for the ancient equivalent of Jews for Jesus. That is why, in the Matthew account, the Last Supper is timed as a Passover meal. By contrast, the Gospel According to John was written to persuade pagan Roman prospects, so the author timed the events differently. This is just one of many explicit contradictions between the four Gospel accounts of Jesus’s death and resurrection.

The Pig Collection
My friend Sandra had a collection of decorative pigs that started out small. As family and friends learned about it, the collection grew to the point that it began taking over the house. Birthdays, Christmas, vacations, thrift stores…when people saw a pig, they thought of Sandra. Some of the pigs were delightful; others, not so much. Finally, the move to a new house opened an opportunity to do some culling.

The texts of the Bible are a bit of a pig collection. Like Sandra’s pigs, they reflect a wide variety of styles, raw material and artistic vision. From creation stories to Easter stories to the book of Revelation, old collectibles got handed down and inspired new, and folks who gathered this type of material bundled them together into a single collection.
.
.
.
A good culling might do a lot to improve things. Imagine a version of the Bible containing only that which has enduring beauty or usefulness. Unfortunately, the collection in the Bible has been bound together for so long that Christian authorities (with a few exceptions) don’t trust themselves to unbind it. Maybe the thought of deciding what goes and stays feels overwhelming or even dangerous. Or maybe, deep down, Bible-believing evangelicals and other fundamentalists suspect that if they started culling, there wouldn’t be a whole lot left. So, they keep it all, in the process binding themselves to the worldview and very human imperfections of our Iron Age ancestors.

And that’s what makes the Good Book so very bad.
Source and More
So, whatdoyathink? Aside from whatever value you may ascribe to the Bible, is it poorly written or not?

.

"Why are your posts so Poorly Written?"
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
So, whatdoyathink? Aside from whatever value you may ascribe to the Bible, is it poorly written or not?

Poorly written. I find so many of my Christian friends to be the most immoral, self-centered, and selfish people. There's just something not right with the words in the Bible.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
And that’s what makes the Good Book so very bad.
Source and More
So, whatdoyathink? Aside from whatever value you may ascribe to the Bible, is it poorly written or not?

.
I am willing to assume.....anyone who dealt with the scripture would bear in mind.....
this represents the Word of God

and most of what I have read seems to hold that level of regard

there are some tales and prose that seem out of place
some points of miracle and intent are difficult to place in belief

the book may not be all it should have been
but I see no great harm in it

shall we do a thread?...the Harm dealt by Scripture
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
From the Preists and especialy the nuns....
"it's a sin to not believe the words of God written in the `bible`."
Especially those words written by Jesus !
Ohhhhh...Me bad.....He, the son of God, did not write anything....
....but He teached the word of God to the Jews.....written by Moses,
and they didn't, and still don't, believe the word of Jesus.
But....Jesus did read the words, but didn't write !
Do I believe the words of God in the entire bible.. No
Do I believe that Moses and friends wrote it.....Yes
Do I follow Jesus' teachings, most of the time...Yes
Do I think Paul/Saul had a great big imagination...Yes
Do I believe in Life and the earth's entities called Stuff..Yes
NuffStuff
 
Top