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Featured Why is religion so fascinated with homosexuality?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Evangelicalhumanist, Oct 17, 2021.

  1. Unveiled Artist

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    Another example that LSHS isn't good is when conservative churches don't allow homosexual priests and pastors.

    The Catholic church says priest can't identify as homosexual and insure there are thousands who take up ministry positions and vocations.

    There is no stipulations in love and no redefining a person to where because of his attraction he can't take up some ministry duties.

    It goes deeper than genuine respect for someone different.
     
  2. Yazata

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    I'm not convinced that most Christians are "fascinated" with homosexuality.

    As for those for whom homosexuality is one of their big issues, it's probably for much the same reason the social left is obsessed with "racism".

    Most people have things that they support and other things that they oppose for moral reasons. People might disagree about what those should be, but the tendency to cast moral judgments seems to be pretty universal with human beings.
     
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  3. Faithofchristian

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    That's a great question..
    This may sound a little strange coming from a Christian myself....but as it is..I am not like other Christians nor do I belong to any church or religious organizations...

    I believe Christians have no clue or idea what their Bible actually does say...
    But yet Christians will go to church and set there listening to their Pastor, Preacher that is just as much a sinner as they are..

    So Christians goes around trying to convince other people of their faults..
    All the while Christians can not see their own faults..
    Like Jesus Christ did say..
    If the blind lead's the blind..both shall fall into the ditch..
    Also do not judge someone by their faults.
    All the while you have faults of your own..
    As it is..Christians as a whole are being miss lead in the churches..
     
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  4. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Although I wish you had used another word than "herd," that is in fact an extremely good question. And it needs a very thoughtful answer -- so I am not going to give you a glib one. I think we might even find a way to some common ground.

    But in order to not do a cheap job, I'm just going to point out something about human nature that I think is extremely important, then reserve the rest of my answer until I have more time.

    We are a "social species." Humans need and totally rely on our relationships with others of our kind for our very survival. This is true of other social (or better, "eusocial") animals on our planet. And yes, we are a eusocial species.

    But we are different from all the other eusocial critters we share our world with. Ants, bees, termites -- they can't behave otherwise than they are programmed. The soldier defends until (s)he dies. The bee stings in response to a threat, even though it necessarily means her own death. The queen (important sounding job!) lies there and lays eggs endlessly which can't be much fun.

    But you and I -- though we know how much we depend on other humans -- we can default. We can cheat, reneg in playing our cards. There's a cost, but we're intelligent so we think we can calculate our odds of getting a bigger payoff than the cost.

    And we can be -- so much unlike other social species -- individual! And what we find, if you look at the history especially of the modern world, that when we learn to let each of us be who we are, and contribute to the "herd" (as you put it) in our own way, then every member benefits -- the whole gets "richer" (not meaning money necessarily, but in terms of overall societal benefit).

    True morality requires that you think about all of that. Do I need you to pay your taxes, as I do? Certainly! That benefits us all. Do I need you to like the same art that I do? Of course not -- there's art enough for everybody. So do you need me to make babies (I'm way too old, anyway)? Not at all -- there are more than enough of us doing that.

    So you can think about this: what is it about how other people express their sexuality that is important to YOU? What makes my life with my lover a "moral" question for you, anymore than what makes you life with whomever you love a "moral" question for me? Because I can promise you, I haven't spent a moment of my life wondering about what your love life is like.

    I think you need to spend a little more time thinking about what "morality" really means.
     
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  5. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    No, it isn't and no, it wouldn't be.

    Legitimacy of government comes from the consent of the governed. Theocracy is completely opposed to this principle; theocracy cannot be legitimate.
     
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  6. Jeremiah Ames

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    Religion is a man made construct to control large groups of people, and persecute all those who don’t belong, while simultaneously claiming to be persecuted. (Specifically talking about Christianity)
    Religion also needs a bad guy, or gal. Homosexuality is the bad guy du jour.
     
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    Would you like another's religious views voted in? Why not get some Islamic laws passed? That's okay, right?
     
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    I seriously doubt our Holy Scriptures are whatsoever concerned about homosexuality outside of the ancient Israel's Holy Temple... I'm guessing the The Old Testament's mention of homosexuality is in the context of ancient Temple Priests.' sexuality. I don't concerned myself with any sacred Covenant between Yahweh and the Priests of the ancient Israel. As far as the New Testament goes,I don't consider everything written by Paul to have been divinely inspired. What matters to me is if our Lord Jesus Christ considers homosexuality to be immoral. Since He never himself condemns homosexuality, I as a decent human and as a Christian socialist, have no qualms against homosexuality.
     
  9. Guitar's Cry

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    At least in America, it impacts policy. It was only 2015 that gay marriage restrictions were federally removed in the states.
     
  10. Lain

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    I'd say that acts reveal a person, which is why the Lord Jesus said "if you do not believe the words believe my works." So you are right that it is related, but as you also said here it ultimately just goes to a moral issue. People do not feel criticized (in a deep way) when someone says they are doing bad works and this reveals a deficient personhood if that critique is coming from the same "moral sphere" that they already have, but when it doesn't it will feel insulting, weird, or out of left field.

    Too far of a value gap I'd agree it is impossible to be friends, for "every man loves those closest to himself."
     
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    Great post,

    Again, as I've stated, I don't understand the link between theocracy and homosexuality very well.
     
  12. robocop (actually)

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    The governed could request it.
     
  13. robocop (actually)

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    If I were born Muslim, I would pretend to be Muslim or actually be Muslim if converted.

    I don't know if Islam is the correct religion or not. I believe it is the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    I do not have a problem with some Islamic laws getting voted in. I am on my third reading of the Koran.
     
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    There's what I want and then there's what I don't understand about God.
     
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    A democracy made up of religious people (all of the same denomination, apparently) is very different from a theocracy.

    The whole point of a theocracy is that it's "God" - or more accurately, a group of religious elites who speak for God - who decides and not the people.
     
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    Good points.

    It would have to come from God directly and God would be in charge of conversion.
     
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    I was thinking about this question a lot. Just today I was watching a programme about a gay prince in India coming to England trying to find love. His first outing was a gay choir. It was great to watch. But once he gets back to India starts his actual life. He does not have a life. Because he is gay he cannot have a real life but a public life only.

    I think in the Christian history homosexuality has always been a taboo, always, and eternally. I know there are some changes now. And it is true that something like usury is not even spoken of. Both being sanctioned death penalty. What I find something to ponder over is why the New Testament has no punishment or condemnation of usury whatsoever while the OT condemned it with death. Is it that through time usury was becoming more associated due to association but not homosexuality?

    Good question.
     
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    Not even then.

    As I said, legitimacy of government comes from the consent of the governed. For God to be the legitimate ruler of the state, he would have to get a mandate from the people in some way.
     
  19. robocop (actually)

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    Then let God get a mandate from the people.
     
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    It's a sin that is strongly forbidden in scripture. It's not anything special.
    I think it's because it's obvious unnatural that it gets attention.
     
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