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Featured Why is religion so fascinated with homosexuality?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Evangelicalhumanist, Oct 17, 2021.

  1. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Because Christians tend to try to impose their view on others through the law, for one.
     
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  2. robocop (actually)

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    Well anyway here is some good news about my church at BYU.

    At BYU, you can now be openly gay, they accept that you're born that way, and they have disavowed conversion therapy.
     
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  3. robocop (actually)

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    Well let me state for the record that that may not always be bad.
     
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    They have tended to have a substantial say in our societies over many years...
     
  5. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Laws imposed on people of all religions should be defensible without appealing to any particular religion.

    If legislation can only be justified by appealing to religion, then it's bad legislation.
     
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    I'm a secularist. I see it as bad if they're pushing things for religious reasons.
    What they're pushing I may sometimes agree with though.

    To be clear, I have no problem with religious groups pushing things for non religious reasons...like any other group would...particularly if it's done transparently.
     
  7. robocop (actually)

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    I'm sorry but theocracy is a valid option of government, as is mixing it with other stuff. In fact theocracy would theoretically be the best form of government.
     
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    Religious compulsion by governments has led to such wonderful "Christian" solutions as burning people. Great idea!
     
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    Theoretically it could work. Burning people is wrong. It even says in the Bible you will not kill. But I am not trying to impose on anyone here that it would have to be Christian.
     
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    Actually, you seem to be more fixated on the topic than I am. I don't think I have ever posted a thread on this subject... but as you said, "So as we natter away (yet again) in another thread about homosexuality," by our friendly humanist evangelist.
     
  11. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Then I would ask you to consider this: if theology contradicts reality, how does one decide?
     
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    Like I said, by understanding it. I am trying to understand this so I can decide. I don't know enough to state there is a contradiction yet.
     
  13. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    In my view, it can never, ever be right to impose one's unverifiable belief system upon anyone else -- and the whole point of law is to impose law on everyone.

    Don't like broccoli? Don't eat broccoli. Don't ban broccoli, because others may like it.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist, we often don't see eye to eye, but I mean no disrespect ok?
     
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    That is an outrageous statement!

    Do you know why? Can you define "theocracy?" Just the word -- not our usually accepted definition. It means, literally "rule by God." The problem is, that is never what you get -- because God doesn't show up, so what you really get is "rule by people who pretend they can speak for God."

    When they can show me their bona fides, their "power of attorney" signed by God, I might perhaps agree. Until then? Not a freaking chance!
     
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    Suppose they didn't impose on you belief in God, and teamed up with you to be moral in ways that you'd accept?
     
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    Chances are great that the past present and future would be a lot worse if religions never existed. Just a hunch. Religion is not the source of bad things. I would be a fool to believe as such. Also I’m not saying that religions have made it better. If all we had was a book of laws would it be utopia? I think no unfortunately
     
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  18. robocop (actually)

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    Evangelicalhumanist, you really might like this about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints:

    D&C 88:118 -

    And as all have not afaith, seek ye diligently and bteach one another words of cwisdom; yea, seek ye out of the best dbooks words of wisdom; seek learning, even by study and also by faith.

    In other words we recognize that some types of people are not religious, and we want them to teach each other out of the best books (or sources of information) they can find.
     
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  19. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    You slip in that little word, "moral," without giving it much attention.

    But what makes something "moral" or "immoral?" Is it the taste of those who think about it? (You know, "I like making love to women, so all men should like making love to women -- that's moral.")

    Is it "moral" to disfellowship (or "shun" or "excommunicate") someone from the community they've been part of all their life because they might disagree with some part of the "party line?" (In other words, the orthodox opinion.)

    Is it moral to deny me the dignity of loving the partner that I fed by hand for 8 1/2 months in hospital when he was paralyzed from the neck down -- all while working six days a week -- just because we're both men?

    Look again at that last paragraph, and tell me, if you think my relationship is immoral, what I should have done.
     
  20. robocop (actually)

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    My heart says I want to grant you all that. My heart and brain says there might still be something to this God thing that I don't understand. Care/harm is not the only pillar of morality you know? I honestly believe those 3 things you mentioned could degrade society. What about the morality of the herd?
     
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