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Why is man given free will if he must submit to God?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Ori, Jul 2, 2005.

  1. Ori

    Ori Angel slayer

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    Because in giving free will, God knows that people will not choose to believe in him, thus they can never know God and so they can never submit to him.
     
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  2. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    Once you are able to conceive the truth about God, submission to his will comes rather easily. God is love. And love can be sooooo intoxicating, and uplifting. Submission is not only easy, there becomes a strong desire to do so.
     
  3. michel

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    "Because in giving free will, God knows that people will not choose to believe in him".............I personally think that is an untruth - I don't deny that there are many who will choose not to believe, but I believe that G-d wants people to believe in him because they want to as opposed to "because they think they ought to".:)
     
  4. cardero

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    Once you are able to conceive the truth about GOD you will find out that there is no will of GOD to submit to but I will admit that there are some attributes that I would like to adopt.
     
  5. Neo-Logic

    Neo-Logic Reality Checker

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    It is said that "God rewards the faithful." It's a test, ok?
     
  6. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Can you rephrase the question?
     
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  7. fromthe heart

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    It's a personal test in yourself of your faith in God....God already knows what you will chose but you still must make the decission consicously to do it if you are going to; otherwise Satin wins another soul. God lays it all on your heart and it's up to you to accept or reject. A lot of people don't accept till their deathbed other's just don't want to take the chance that should something happen suddenly to them and they would lose eternal life.:)
     
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    Submission can only be done of willingness. One must chose to submit Free will and submission to God need to walk hand in hand.
     
  9. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Who has to submit to God? Hitler had free will, as did Osama bin Ladan and Saddam Hussein. I don't believe any of them submitted to God in any way.
     
  10. michel

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    Hi InHim, Namaste.

    Welcome to the forum!

    Perhaps you could introduce yourself to the members by making a post on : Are you new to ReligiousForums.com?

    You might like to have a look at :- Articles for New Members ; from there, there is a link to the forum rules, which you ought to see.

    I hope you'll enjoy being here.:)
     
  11. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    Question: "How are we to submit to God?"
    Answer: All of the New Testament incidences where the word "submit" occurs the word is translated from the Greek word, "hupotasso". The "hupo" means under and the "tasso" means to arrange. This word and a root of it are also used to translate the words; subject and subjection. The word's full meaning is; to obey, put under, be subject to, submit ones self unto, put in subjection under or be under obedience or obedient to.

    It means to arrange oneself under the command of divine viewpoint rather than to live according to our old way of life based in human viewpoint. It is a process surrendering our own will to that of our Father's.

    The Scripture has a great deal to say about being in submission and subjection to the "higher powers". This has reference to the establishment principles that God has ordained in our world. That means the government and the leaders, in what ever capacity, that God has placed in authority over us in our daily lives here on this earth. Passages that teach this principle are found in Romans 13:1-7; Hebrews 13:17; 1st Peter 2:13-14 and Titus 3:1. The principle here is that being in obedience to the authority over us - what ever that authority is - will bring a temporal blessing in real time here and now and for the believer reward later. The highest authority is God and He delegates authority to others over us so in order submit to God - we submit to the authority He has placed over us. You will notice that there are no caveats that distinguish between good or bad authority or even just or unjust authority - we are just to humble ourselves and obey as "unto the LORD."

    We are also told to submit ourselves unto God. "6. But He gives more grace. Wherefore He said, God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. 7. Submit yourselves, therefore, to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:6-7) There is a passage in Ephesians where we read the wife is to submit to her husband as unto the LORD and the husband is to "love" his wife (Ephesians 5:22-25). The Apostle Peter writes, "5. In like manner, you younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject to one another, and be clothed with humility; for God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble." (1 Peter 5:5) There is a theme of humility here. One cannot submit to God without humility. Obedience requires one to humble them selves to surrender to the authority of another and we are told that God resists pride and the arrogance that fosters that pride.

    Therefore, having a humble and submissive heart is a choice we make. That means as born again believers we daily make a choice to submit ourselves unto God for the work that the Holy Spirit does in us to "conform us to the image of Christ" and God will use the situations of our lives to bring us the opportunity to submit to him (Romans 8:28-29). The believer then accepts His grace and provision for us to walk in the "Spirit" and not after the manner of our old nature. That work is accomplished by choosing to apply ourselves to the Word of God and to learning about the provisions that God has made for us IN Christ Jesus. From the moment we are born again, we have all the provisions we need, IN Christ, to become a mature believer but we have to make the choice to learn about those provisions - through study of the Word and to apply those provisions to our daily walk as believers.

    Just as a newborn baby has all of the "potential" to become an adult - it still has to choose to submit to the process of learning in order to be successful - we have to choose to submit to God for the process of learning in order to grow spiritually. It is a process begun at salvation and it is an ongoing process that continues with each and every choice that we make to submit ourselves unto the LORD and it will continue until the LORD comes again or He calls us home. The wonderful thing about this is that as the Apostle Paul so aptly states, "But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the LORD, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the spirit of the LORD" (1st Corinthians 3:18).

    God does not require us to submit because He is a tyrant but because as a loving Father. He knows what is best for us. The blessings and peace that we gain from humbly surrendering and submitting ourselves to Him daily are a gift of grace that nothing in this world can compare to.
     
  12. michel

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    That is the point; there is free will - follow G-d, or don't, it's up to you. I believe that's how G-d wants it to be. Hitler, Osama and Saddam chose not to (although I am not too sure about Osama)- Born in Saudi Arabia to a Yemeni family, Bin Laden left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to fight against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. From there on, he seems to have been following what he might well see as a religious war; perhaps, in his own mind, he is submitting to God?:)
     
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    There are some things that GOD would not like to be compared to: An examiner, a credit card and a Father figure.
     
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