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Featured Why is it the Jews are always seen as victims and the Muslims the aggressors?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by ronki23, Apr 13, 2018.

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  1. ronki23

    ronki23 Well-Known Member

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    Jews

    -Enslaved by the Egyptians
    -Had their Holy Synagogue destroyed by the Babylonians and then the Romans
    -Murdered by Chimielniki in Ukraine
    -Almost wiped out in Western Europe by Hitler

    Muslims

    - Wiped out the pagans of Arabia
    - Sold blacks as slaves
    - Took over Persia and forced the Zoroastrians to flee or convert
    - Oppressed the Hindus,Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains of the India during the Mughal era
    - Forcibly converted Indonesia's Buddhist and Hindus
    - Attack the West because the West promotes coexistence and secularism

    Yet when the Jews (the minority) claim the majority of land in a Muslim country (when they only purchased 6% of it) and illegally encroach upon Muslim settlements the Jews are the victims?! o_O


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  2. Sunstone

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    Who says they're always seen as the victims? There are millions of people, including many, many Jews, who see the Palestinians as the victims. And there are perhaps even millions more -- Jews and non-Jews both -- who see victims on both sides of the conflict, and are sick of the whole thing.
     
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    Jumi Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but this seems too misleading and trolling for reactions.
     
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    Most people I come across see the Israelis (often to read: Jews) as the perpetrators and the Palestinians as the victims. Of course the real world has nuance.
     
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    Kelly of the Phoenix Well-Known Member

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    It's abundantly clear the Israeli government is in the wrong on this issue. I fear the US won't tell them to stop because that's how we got OUR country.
     
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    people of the Book who lived within Muslim world were protected by Koran. there is a force in the world that keeps Muslim and Jews , e.t.c., at war so it can better control the world affairs.
     
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    my understanding of this picture in general: Jews were CULTIVATED to spread consciousness in the world...that is why the are spread everywhere.
     
  8. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    They've got a better PR team.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  9. David1967

    David1967 Well-Known Member
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    Definitely to complex a subject to use such a wide brush to paint. (Note: artistic reference used for @Sunstone benefit.)
     
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  10. LuisDantas

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    There is no such thing as Muslim, Jewish, Christian or anything country in truth. Countries are artificial constructs and only have an ideology to the extent that people agree to lend them such.

    Muslims are often perceived as the agressors mainly because they so often are indeed the agressors, as 1948 so teaches us and as does the time before and since. Seeing the Qur'an's text does not make that surprising, either.

    I can't give a qualified opinion on the land rights of what is currently Israel, except to note that much of it is war spoils from the 1948 conflict - which was not initiated by Israel - and that there is a lot of claim that much of the previous land was dutifully bought.
     
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    I suppose any view of history is in the eye of the beholder. When you say that a particular group is "seen as," one has to wonder who is doing the actual "seeing."

    In the present situation, some might see Jews as being a kind of underdog, since they're much fewer in number and have a much smaller territory compared to the size and number of Muslim-majority countries from Morocco to Indonesia.
     
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    They are not.
    Israelis, even Zionists, don't represent Jews as a people. From Barbara Streisand to the Vogels (a local family), not all Jewish people are victims.
    Zionists, most of whom are Christian, have done some ugly things. They should be held accountable. Islamicists have also, so they should be as well.
    But it is not about any particular Religion.
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    Zionists are users of humanity including Jews.
    . 9‘Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you
     
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    columbus yawn <ignore> yawn

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    What does that mean?
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    it means they are parasites on body of humanity they say they are Jews but they are Frankists - Sabbatians.
     
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    It depends on which media/propaganda you listen to. Seems everyone has a vested interest in what is happening in the Middle East. So they are going to promote whatever version of the story which promotes their cause.

    Unless you're actually over there in the middle of it, you are relying on these folks with their vested interests to create a narrative of events.

    I've read from both views to the point that I don't think there really is a right or wrong. I don't care about religion, religion is irrelevant. Don't care about who own the land prior or how it was obtained.

    Simple fact is whoever currently can enforce their possession of the land has a right to it.

    If Israel has the power to enforce it's border and the surrounding Muslim can't do anything about it then the Muslim countries would be better off seeking other options, IMO.
     
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    Seriously?
    You think that Jews are a parasite on humanity?




    Seriously?
    That's about as disgusting an opinion as that of the Founding Fathers opinion of the indigenous people.


    EW!!!!
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    Frankists/Sabbatians are "Jewish" groups who separated from the rest who followed a different messiah. Funny things is though, Sabbatai, who some thought was the messiah, actually converted to Islam later.
     
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    So Jews who support the current state of Israel are "zionists" Which isn't all Jews.

    How do you know Frankists & Sabbatians are still still around and more how do you know these groups are behind, I suppose what you are considering, the political manipulation?

    Is it really anything more than a conspiracy theory?
     
  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Right, it is not about one religion or two religions, it is about three religions.
     
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