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Featured Why is it so important for you to claim your belief is the only true belief?

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Conscious thoughts, May 3, 2021.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    Just for @Jacques de Molay , here is the first article that appears in a Google search about the total energy of the universe:

    What's the Total Energy In the Universe? | Live Science

    Light, matter and antimatter are what physicists call "positive energy." And yes, there's a lot of it (though no one is sure quite how much). Most physicists think, however, that there is an equal amount of "negative energy" stored in the gravitational attraction that exists between all the positive-energy particles. The positive exactly balances the negative, so, ultimately, there is no energy in the universe at all.

    I did not make anything up. Positive energy has a negative balance. The total is zero. There is an explanation from physics. Your "proof" of God is busted. I could provide you an hour long lecture that goes into this, but I doubt if you would watch it. You could not even read one article about this topic or how physicists know this.
     
  2. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
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    I much prefer the honest answer "do not know" over the nonsense answer GodDidIt...
     
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  3. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    I do not go after foolishness. What spirit are you talking about?
     
  4. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    so choose....

    Spirit first .....or .....substance
     
  5. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    You mean 'the God of Gaps'? 'Since the universe is there, therefore God'. 'According to science" - how funny!

    Quantum fluctuation - Wikipedia
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  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Why did not your God make men better? Imperfect design.
    Why the image was given the power to mar it?
    What is this throwing us down and then trying to lift us all the time. Why this foolish up and down?
    God is not my maker. My father and mother were.
    Yahweh would remember the sins of people for three for even four generations for what their fathers did.
    Yeah, we know. You balk when we ask for proof.
     
  7. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    You still haven't even attempted to answer my question - nor confirmed that either of the definitions I posited match anything you think of when using the word "spirit."

    It's like talking to a brick wall. A brick wall that just got done trying to muddle through an open-mic poetry night at a cheap coffee shop.
     
  8. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    you don't need anything more from me.....

    YOU answer the question

    Spirut first?
    or substance
     
  9. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    keep laughing
     
  10. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    put yourself is God's position
    yes you can

    then answer the questions
    yes you can
     
  11. A Vestigial Mote

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    I will answer your vague, non-sensical question, sure. Again - I would like to state that, unlike some people, I am not afraid to answer questions.

    Because you refuse to offer me any context or clarify the meaning of "spirit," I am going to answer your question with "substance."

    So, "substance first" - whatever this means. Do you even understand why I am not sure exactly what you are getting at here?

    I'll give you an example. Please contemplate on the meaning and then answer this question:
    Pickles or plumbing tools? Which one?
     
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  12. Mestemia

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  13. Conscious thoughts

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    I really like it when so many people prove the OP to be true
    :hugehug: I think i have to arrest my self for this comment :policeofficer:
     
  14. John1.12

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    I'd say that there is a little bit of truth in each religion ,just enough to decieve . Yes i believe some religions are demonic. I also believe some religions and cults are just nonsense, and a way to manipulate people for the leaders gratification/ money ect .Why do I say this ? because I'm mean ? No ,its because I believe the bible . The bible says that false gods and false religion leads people away from God . I don't make the pointless arguments to say what I believe is more noble or sophisticated and such things. No its also logic . By definition all religions are not leading to God . There radically different ( With the exception of what i said at the beginning ) . So the idea isn't 'my religion is better than yours ' na na nah ( pokes tongue out ) No for me I'm convinced I can spot counterfeit money now because I've seen the real money .
     
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  15. Conscious thoughts

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    It is nothing wrong in having a belief in a God or a teaching and still be happy for others who found their answer within a different teaching. Especially if we see they live the life they want because their religious belief give them what they seeking.
     
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    Maybe if I believed all religions lead to God ,or were true ( or universalism) . And maybe if I didn't believe in heaven and hell I wouldn't care what my family and friends believe . Its about what's true and false. From my perspective its like there's all these doors in front of them ,I know only one door leads to a beautiful meadow . The other doors open to a cliff edge. I'm not going to be happy they have found their door am I, I know where it leads .
     
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    Of course you going to be happy for the door you open and found the truth you been seeking. and honestly i am truly happy for you too.
     
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    Yes and I would be happy for you if you opened the exact same door .
     
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    @Barry Johnson I am not you :) I am not exactly like you and that may be a reason why Christianity is not the path i have chosen, I was born in to a Christian family but the teaching never touched my heart when i was a child. But know this. I have never thought Christianity is a wrong religion, nor do i think it is a false or bad way. But it is not for me.

    If i have chosen wrong and the Christian God punish me when i die. That will be ok because I was the one who took the choice of leaving that religion. And no matter how you now feel about my choice. I have found the teaching and the truth i always been looking for within Sufism, i know sufism may not be the right path for others, and i respect that, and if they chose a different teaching to follow, i will honestly cheering them on and help them if i am able to. Because they found the beginning of what they was looking for.
     
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    Yes I understand what your saying . But I'm taking about what's true and what is false. I can't work out if you believe in 'relativism ' ? My point is I believe Jesus when he said He is the only way to the Father , the ONLY truth and the ONLY life . Now its not just this verse Its the entire new testament( John 14.6) So literally every one has to come to Jesus . No exceptions ..So this rules out all other ways. If your way doesn't involve Jesus ( the biblical Jesus) then there is no possibility of heaven ..There is no well we.ll let him in because he's been a decent chap. its about whats possible and not possible . its not possible to enter heaven unless you are covered by Jesus s righteousness, Redeemed by him ,regenerated by him ect . I respect that you have your free will to choose Jesus or not .To seek another way, to live as you see fit .
    When you say //i will honestly cheering them on and help them if i am able to. Because they found the beginning of what they was looking for// This fits your world view of course . You would possibly be happy because of the way you view heaven , hell , salvation, God , your religion. I would be insane to cheer someone on in there choice ,which doesn't involve Jesus. In fact I would be quite sadistic in doing so . I would literally be saying " yay you go ,keep on as you are , your doing fine whoop ! Knowing full well it leads to hell . I would be like aDo you see my point ? That's all I'm trying to explain here, which is related to your post . None of this means I go round bashing folks over the head with the bible. People are free to choose Jesus or not .Not a religion ,but Jesus .
     
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