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Why is being gay considered wrong?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Ori, Jul 21, 2005.

  1. Prophet Rashad

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    Well using your logic you go against the teaching of Jesus Christ when he told the priest Nicodemus and I quote John 3:1-7 "1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" that is Bible :cool:
     
  2. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Considering the Bible isn't my text of choice, that's an interesting set of verses, but not particularly applicable or anything that makes me want to go back to Christianity. :)
     
  3. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    i agree that baptism is important in the christian faith, but God calls us to get baptised as soon as we become a believer, and true baptism is a fresh start (spiritually speaking) so yes, you are born again - but obviously you carry physical aspects with you, when i was baptised i kept my diabetes, and in the same way i kept on being gay :D
     
  4. michel

    michel Administrator Emeritus
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    Well, you have my respect, and my admiration for your candour. :clap
     
  5. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    :woohoo:

    thankyou xXx

    by the way, what does "candour" mean, i cant find my dictionary :bonk:
     
  6. jamaesi

    jamaesi To Save A Lamb

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    Try looking for candor, the American spelling. XD

    can·dor [​IMG] ([font=verdana, sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (k[​IMG]n[​IMG]d[​IMG]r)
    n.
    1. Frankness or sincerity of expression; openness.
    2. Freedom from prejudice; impartiality.
     
  7. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    thankyou
     
  8. michel

    michel Administrator Emeritus
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    Ah, sorry - I used the English (You know, where the language originated from:D spelling).I do try to keep to American spelling, but I forget sometimes..........:eek:
     
  9. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    are we supposed to use american spelling? i did not know that!
     
  10. jamaesi

    jamaesi To Save A Lamb

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    I have no idea what we´re supposed to use here, I (somehow) learned British English spelling even though I´m an American (living in Brasil).

    ... Oh my life is so confuddled.
     
  11. Cold-Stone

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    I'm surprised how many people on here are so narrow-minded. I thought tolerance was respected. Maybe specific tolerance (which is no tolerance at all) is what is tolerated.

    Look- I have not argued IF the historical Christian orthodox position is credible. I have merely stated the biblical and historical position from a Christian worldview.

    Again, I don't really care if you mace your mate. Again, this is a free country (USA) and you have the right to do so via the laws of the government. Just as a spouse has a not legal ramifications against adultery.

    If this thread was entitled: Why is adultery considered wrong? I would have presented the biblical Judeo-Christian position on the matter. I doubt I would get very much disagreement regarding the fact that adultery is wrong via the Judeo-Christian worldview. You don't have to agree with the worldview, but it is the worldview of this specific philosophy of thinking (Judeo-Christian).

    Thus a person who commits adultery and believes that it is NOT wrong to do so, would be by definition a NON-Christian. Now they may challenge the position, but they cannot change the position they challenge.

    That's called in philosophy dishonesy and shows a lack of confidence in whatever system you adhere to in order to justify your homosexualty.

    Regarding the actual position itself. Please don't be so narrow minded. Be more open-minded to the fact that it could indeed be wrong. And please stop pumping argumentum ad hominem arguments and red-herrings at me. If you are not confident in your position, say so. I would respect that person a lot more then someone like Draka who tripped up on her own words and ended up agreeing with me while denying she agrees with me.

    Pride comes before the destruction : )
    King Solomon-Proverbs.

    Thus according to the position of Judeo-Chrisitan from a historical biblical standard, homosexual IS wrong absolutely.

    And thus via my position, that is The Moral Absolute (Galatians 5:21).

    If you disagree that I am representing Judeo Christianity incorrectly regarding homosexuality, show me how. The satanist and I agree that I represent the position correctly.

    Once that is established, then we can discuss whether the position itself with the system of Judeo Christianity is valid, or invalid. Emotions can cloud logical thinking which it has done to some already.

    Cold-Stone Advantage
    Galatians 5:21
     
  12. DreamQuickBook

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    Cold - While I think your position is bigoted and I totally disagree with you, you are totally right in that people are not, in general, tolerant of a Christian who is bold enough to say they actually believe in the Bible.
     
  13. Cold-Stone

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    And before we can even discuss if the system I hold to is correct, we must first agree upon the systems we represent are accurate.

    It is interesting that "moral disagreement" is considered via your thinking "bigotry." This shows that your position (or you personally if you are not representing your system accurately) is weak since it resorts to argumentum ad hominem name calling.

    "Do What Thou Wilt Is the Whole of the Law"
    "Love under Will, Love Under Law."

    If this is your system of thinking. Then I am doing my Will. Thus within your own system gernades self explode. : )

    Now you will deny the law of Thelema?

    Let's start with the positive my satanic friend. We agree, let's soak in our agreement for a while since it is rare.

    Homosexuality is wrong via the historical biblical position. To quote you my satanic brother:

    We both agree.

    Cold-Stone Advantage
     
  14. turk179

    turk179 I smell something....

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    Cold- Stone. My debating skills are not that great. But even I have made a few debating points which have been overlooked. Understandable considering my skill in debating. :D As for your viewpoint of the Judeo Christian system, it is just that, a viewpoint, just like any other. That is why I think you are having such a hard time with understanding that it is not your viewpoint that has everyone riled up. It is the way that you are posting them. If they were not posted dripping with rudeness and sarcasm and served on a piping hot missile from God, maybe you wouldn't find yourself in the position you are in now. I might be speaking for myself here but I don't think people like it when information is jammed down their throats and dictated as the only way. Just an observation here.
    Hopefully I have been some help :D
     
  15. Aqualung

    Aqualung Tasty

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    What's funny is tha tover and over Cold-Stone says that he is merely representing the Judeo-Christian view of things, not saying that his way is the only way. He says he is arguing a viewpoint. If you don't like "information jammed down your throat" why do you get into debates? Essentially a debate is to jam as much down the other's throat in order to try to convince of thier position.
     
  16. turk179

    turk179 I smell something....

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    Like I said, maybe I am speaking for myself. I have absolutly no problem with someone trying to convince me that their way is the right way. Like I have said before, it is not that it is being done it is the way it is done. It doesn't seem like anyone else in RF has a problem with respecting other people while still trying to convince them.
     
  17. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    Being gay is only considered wrong by those afraid to face those different than themselves. It is a cowardly escape from reality to, against all evidence, consider someone else immoral based merely on personal bias or fear of the different.
     
  18. Aqualung

    Aqualung Tasty

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    This may be true in some cases, and perhaps then the feelings are not okay. But, as cold-stone was saying, people should think it is wrong if they put their faith in the Bible.
     
  19. Ori

    Ori Angel slayer

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    But Jesus also said not to judge, unless you want to be judged.
     
  20. Fluffy

    Fluffy A fool

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    No people should think that is wrong if they put their faith in a belief that it is wrong. Scripture is an excuse to back up such a belief. There is a thread asking for biblical scripture that condemns homosexuality. I am of the belief that no such scripture exists and so far my arguments and analyses have gone unchallenged which only further backs up that view.
     
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