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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Rival, May 13, 2019.

  1. charlie sc

    charlie sc Well-Known Member

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    Since you're worried about both, I'm glad you're being so unbiased in this thread...
     
  2. QuestioningMind

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    No, you have misunderstood. I have a problem with how it's worded most of the time. Most of the articles and videos I watch seem to paint these communities as backwards, vile, woman hating places and the secular world as some kind of freedom utopia. I have a problem with how they paint fundamentalist religious communities.

    That's because they are telling the story of people from those communities who came to the conclusion that they are backwards, vile, woman hating places. The picture that theses stories paint are based upon the claimed experiences from people in the community. Are you suggesting that journalists should ignore such claims?

    What about all the wedding stories? All the 'look at what so-and-so wore to such-and-such event' stories? They're not exactly thrilling reads either. I'm just asking that, if you're going to write articles about people who leave, why not flip the coin for a change?

    Journalists write stories that the public is willing to read. Clearly there is a fairly large segment of the population that's obsessed with fashion and celebrities... thus all of the news stories about them. IF people were interested in reading about how happy and content people are in there current religions THEN you would see a proportional number of news stories on the subject. It's the lack of interest by the general population in such stories that explains the lack of such stories.

    No, I'm blaming the journalists who write these pieces for making out these communities are like lockdown prisons.

    Again, the journalists are simply reporting what they've been told by people who have actually lived in the communities. It's not the journalists who are making the communities to be like l;ock down prisons... it's the stories that the former members of these communities are relating that convey what these communities are like. And again, are you suggesting that journalists be forced to ignore such stories?
     
  3. adrian009

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    There is a definite media bias with a narrative that portrays religion negatively. On the other hand there are negative experiences that are a reality for many. The balance needs to shift. The extremely negative portrayal of Islam was undoubtedly a factor with the Christchurch massacre in New Zealand.
     
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  4. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    The current general trends are not too friendly towards diversity of perspectives. To some extent, I think, due to political frustration.
     
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  5. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Crazy Diamond

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    It's not news when the dog bites a person, but when a person bites a dog. We, as a society, assume and expect people are happy in religion and miserable without. It becomes newsworthy, and great for the advancement of non-theists, when those who ha e left religion are doing just fine.
     
  6. Quagmire

    Quagmire Imaginary talking monkey
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    Great post, PureX. I agree: Consumerism is the new orthodoxy, and it's no more benevolent than any of it's predecessors.
     
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  7. Vinayaka

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    The press makes decisions based on what sells, not on any particular value or religious system. It's an industry, selling advertising, not giving news. Sensationalism sells.
     
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  8. Erebus

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    Hmm, that certainly hasn't been my experience. If anything, 1-2 children seems to be expected (though I'll grant there's certainly a stigma against having more than that) to the extent that my own stance of never wanting children gets called immature. It's apparently a phase I'll grow out of. A phase that seems to have lasted quite a bit longer than people expected!
    Now I'm not saying you're wrong exactly, I can certainly believe you've had the opposite experience. Just pointing out that it's not universal.

    Anyway, back on topic. I've seen the odd story about people who came out of what were essentially cults but I'd say that's very different to a conservative, religious setting. They certainly can hold certain conservative values but they're just as likely to be hippies. The thing they have in common is systematic abuse and I'd argue that there's a real benefit to be had in exposing what can happen in those groups.

    As for vilifying conservative, religious groups in general ... Islam seems to be the main punching bag at the moment. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is politically motivated on the whole. If a group is willing to live and let live, as the majority of British Muslims seem content with, then I see no need for animosity. Even so, people have a vested interest in protecting their own choices and so when a group looks to set a standard for everybody else, some degree of conflict is inevitable. This is true regardless of where you stand on the political/religious spectrum and I see plenty of headlines decrying the progressive/secular crowd too.

    That's human nature in a nutshell really!
     
  9. Quintessence

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    If those terms accurately represent how the person feels about it, is it still slanted? Wouldn't changing the terms to be something else be slanted?

    That said, unless the article was written by the convert themselves, we can't know what terms they would or wouldn't use to describe their experiences. Ideally, a journalist will write the article to represent the person they are telling the story about. But it doesn't always happen.
     
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  10. Shadow Wolf

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    No, they gave us a mentality that settles for a crappy physical world because they are promised a better world after they die. It was fear of lifting a finger against " gods chose to rule" and accepting the medieval living conditions. Today many don't give a damn about climate change because ita gods will anyways and he's going to destroy the world with fire. They gave the world a disgusting sense of a defeatist mentality.
    And, FYI, Christians themselves are caught up into consumerism as anyone else. This is another area they do not get a free pass or moral high ground just for being Christian. And dont forget lots of Christians support unfettered capitalism as godly and biblically approved.
     
  11. PureX

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    Too many of us just don't understand that "the media" is a gigantic advertising agency. And that if we're seeing lots of negative media attention aimed at conservative religious groups (and I am not convinced that we are) it has next to nothing to do with the validity of the content itself, and everything to do with the advertiser's consumer culture agenda being infringed upon, somehow, by those groups.
     
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  12. Muffled

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    I believe the lobster is happy in his pool of water until the heat rises and he is boiled to death. Everyone needs enlightenment but some think that is what their darkness is.
     
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    My daughter studied engineering and so did I but neither of us wee good at it. Expecting people to be good at everything is unrealistic. Some women are good at having babies and others are not.
     
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    I believe we do have those conversion stories of how the person is fed up with his sin and decides he needs a savior. Then he leads a wholesome new life.
     
  15. Rival

    Rival RF NKVD
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    You missed the sarcasm here.
     
  16. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    I know this.
    I respect it.
    It has everything to do with the human community.

    But I also know that it has nothing to do with Christianity, much less god. Muslims are very good at it around here. Their prison ministries are quite inspiring.
    Tom
     
  17. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Not banned yet.
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    I'm happy to leave pregnancy to the wimins.
    It looks painful & icky.

    Did either of you enjoy engineering?
    I ask because I find that liking it is absolutely necessary.
    If one doesn't enjoy it, the drudgery would be mind numbing.
     
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