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Featured Why I detest the JW

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:40 AM.

  1. JJ50

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    The JW [***staff edit***] is a very nasty one and has caused a lot of unnecessary suffering by forbidding blood transfusions. Our adopted Down's Syndrome son, of Greek-Cypriot origin, was 16 months old when he needed a blood transfusion to save his life, as he has blood condition, which is rare here in the UK. A couple of days after he had the transfusion two JWs turned up on our doorstep. Normally I would say, 'No thank you', as I shut the door, but that day I challenged them. I told them our lovely boy would be dead if he hadn't the transfusion, they said he would have been better off dead rather than having blood from a donor! As you can imagine my response was less than polite as I chased them off our property!

    Our son is now 32, and whilst he is quite severe learning difficulties he is the most wonderful person you could wish to meet, and loved by everyone who knows him. My husband, myself, our birth daughters and grandchildren are thrilled to have him in our lives. :)
     
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  2. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity simple man
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    Not everyone wants to give blood, because it stings and makes people feel faint. Giving blood makes me feel faint, and to keep me conscious the nurses have to hover around fanning my face, talking to me like I'm a hot model while feeding me orange juice and snacks. I should convert. Score one for the NWT.

     
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  3. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity simple man
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    This is what I think about cults. I think cults often thrive on judgment. If someone is in a cult, that cult works to separate them from other people through various means. For example the cult may direct its followers to wear dinosaur sweaters and to announce undying loyalty to dinosaurs in order to separate the people from the general populace. Aggressive proselytizing is also effective in cutting members off from the general population. Therefore the most effective means to oppose and show dislike for a cult is ironically to make friends with the membership.
     
  4. djhwoodwerks

    djhwoodwerks Well-Known Member

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    Jesus Himself said,

    Mark 7:14-19 (ESV Strong's) 14 And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: 15 There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.” 17 And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. 18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?”

    The no blood rule of the leaders of the witnesses is just for control.
     
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  5. It Aint Necessarily So

    It Aint Necessarily So Well-Known Member
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    I can understand you having taken offense at being told that your son was better off dead than alive thanks to a blood transfusion, and I might feel the same way as you if I had had the same experience.

    The Witnesses don't strike me as too different from a variety of other religious groups such as snake handlers, people that speak in tongues, faith healers, and the Branch Davidians and Jonestown adherents. They're all a little culty.

    My objection to the Witnesses would be how they treat their former members. I think that the Scientologists and Mormons might also be into social death sentences for those that leave the group.
     
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  6. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    The JWs use to hit me about once every couple of weeks. Needless to say we had some very...erm...spirited conversations. Evidently the put me on some kind of a field "do not call" list because they haven't been around for some time. I kinda miss those back and forths.
     
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  7. JJ50

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    We never open the door to the JW cult, these days.

    I shall remove myself from this forum if one is unable to state one's opinion of something which I believe to be evil like the JW faith.
     
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    I had "Bible study" with an elderly witness man for almost 2 years, he came every Wednesday, like clock work. I think there was about 3 or 4 times out of those months he came, he opened with prayer, and that prayer was that I saw the "truth" he presented, not that the Holy Spirit would be there to teach US. After the, 'how ya beens', I would get my Bible and he would get his "what does the Bible really teach" book out, I thought that kinda strange, since he said we would have a BIBLE study. I'll never forget the first time I asked a question that his Bible teach book didn't cover, he reached into his briefcase and pulled out, his Bible... no, he pulled out his "reasoning from the scriptures" book! He seldom, ever took out his Bible, only to show how a verse a quoted was wrong. There were a few times He would show up with one or two other people, once even an elder! Then, early this year, he came and said I wasn't progressing spiritually, and he wouldn't be back, except to drop off the new watchtower mag. Haven't seen him in almost 6 months.
     
  9. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I'm not going to speak for the Scientologists, but as a lifelong Mormon, I would say that the exact opposite is true. I have so many friends, neighbors and family members who are former Mormons that I wouldn't be associating with literally dozens and dozens of people if that were the case. Mormons are actually encouraged to maintain close relationships with former members.
     
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  10. The Emperor of Mankind

    The Emperor of Mankind I poop out warp storms just coz...

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    As a former Mormon, this has been my experience. Many of the people I grew up knowing in church continue to ask after me even though I stopped going 10 years ago. It's nice to know they still care for me.
     
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  11. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    How anyone of any religion could say something so cruel to another human being is beyond me. Isn't it wonderful that you were the ones who adopted your son and not a Jehovah's Witness family!
     
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    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I'm sure your post carried far more weight than mine did, so thanks for posting.
     
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  13. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    The JW didn't forbid anything. They believe that their God did.
    OK, so you agreed for him to have one, but I don't think that any JW child has dioed in the UK for want of a transfusion for many years. You do know that JWs can have plasma, of course?
    Hmmmm......contentious....
    I cannot believe that, I'm afraid.
    So you weren't just contentious, you were outright conflict-high and aggressive.

    That's great, but I suggest that you concentrate your love on your adopted son, and forget about hatred to others.

    Oh...... and I have offered hospitality and succour to JWs for nearly thirty years, and I just don't believe the OP as written.
     
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    JW's are entitled to their opinions and beliefs just as Agnostics are entitled to their opinions and beliefs. That is no reason to detest someone. They should not force you to refuse transfusions just as you should not force them to accept transfusions. There is too much hatred and detesting in the world. Just try to get along.
     
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    I can spot them in the neighborhood from a mile away. My kitchen and living room windows are on the front of the house. I can see everything. I don't even go to the door when they knock. One time I did, however.

    Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back. It was a dreary and lazy Sunday morning. I was toodling around the house with nothing to do when I heard the doorbell ring. I opened it to see a well dressed young man standing there who said "I'm a Jehovah's Witness, do you have a moment for Jesus Christ?" I guess the laminated pictures of Heimdall and Mother Durga on the door didn't faze him (if he even knew what they were).

    So I said, come in and sit down. We sat down and I asked what specifically did he want to talk about. The young man replied, "beats the heck out of me, I've never gotten this far."


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    I must concur with your assessment.
    The JW’s who have come to our door have been so kind that I felt bad not offering to have them come in.
    My only actual experience with any JW was a family of 4 who lived directly across the street from me. They were all the most thoughtful, helpful and most kind neighbors I can remember having now that I think about it.
     
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  17. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    We used to get JW knocking about once a month, usually at meal times. They were politely asked to go.

    After a while of this harassment i printed our address under the big bold text "do not call at", the next time they called i handed them the paper and asked them to place it prominently on their kingdom hall notice board. It worked for about 3 years.

    Then they started knocking again. The same tactic failed this time round. The area we lived had joined neighborhood watch scheme so i placed their sign on the gate "unsolicited callers will be reported to the police". That worked usually but occasionally a couple (they always attack in pairs) would ignore the sign and knock. A quick finger point and the question " do you have a problem reading?" Inevitability their answer was "no" at which point i picked up the phone and politely asked for their names to give to the police. This always sent them scuttling back past the sign trailing mumbled apologies.

    Just before i left the uk they had developed a new and extremely under hand tactic. On opening the door to their knock they said. "Can we give you this booklet about health?" The magazine sized document looked like a National Health Service publication,the same corporate colouring and layout. After taking the magazine and them departing i glanced at the front cover. 5 part articles on healthy heart, nutrition etc with continued on page x at the bottom of the column.

    Open the front cover to realise that's exactly what it was. The inside cover was unprinted, plain paper, the whole cover carefully fit to hide the watchtower tucked inside.

    That did it for me, what sort of faith has to use deception to promote their belief?
     
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  18. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    Uhhhh....okay...
     
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    Yeah, the witnesses god finally changed his mind and let them have blood fractions and made it a matter of conscience! Guess he discovered how many of his true worshipers were dying.
     
  20. savagewind

    savagewind Something, not nothing
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    I, for one, do not know it that is a joke or a real story that is funny.
     
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