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Featured Why I could personally never chose to be Catholic

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by KingJamesVersionOnly, Feb 17, 2018.

  1. lostwanderingsoul

    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    Jesus is the cornerstone or rock that the church is built on.Obviously if the Catholic church is built on Peter then it is not God's true church.
     
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  2. Deeje

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    Hello and welcome to RF. [​IMG]

    Did you mean perspective? [​IMG]

    Why do you believe in the KJV only? Who told you that the KJV is the only accurate Bible? Have you researched this for yourself? Has the Baptist Church worked out its own 'kinks'? Would you know if they had any?

    Who would disagree with that? Who would even attend a church if they don't agree with what it teaches? [​IMG]

    I live in a country where hardly anyone goes to church anymore. As people become more and more disillusioned with the conduct and ineptitude of the churches, they seek out more secular pursuits, but many still feel an emptiness in their lives but are not quite sure how to fill it.

    The bread and the wine are certainly symbols of the flesh and blood of Christ, (he said this "means" my body" not this "is" my body) He willingly offered his life our behalf. But how often are Christ's disciples to celebrate the Lord's supper? Who is to partake of the symbols and why? What does it all mean?

    That scripture is reinforcing God's headship arrangement...

    "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."


    It applies in the context in which it is given.....but if "the head of Christ is God"...how can Jesus be God?

    In Matthew 23:5-10, Jesus said about the hypocritical Pharisees....."All the works they do, they do to be seen by men, for they broaden the scripture-containing cases that they wear as safeguards and lengthen the fringes of their garments. 6 They like the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats in the synagogues 7 and the greetings in the marketplaces and to be called Rabbi by men. 8 But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. 9 Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. 10 Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ."

    This is one of many scriptures that depict God and Christ as separate entities with no mention of the holy spirit. John 17:3 is another....
    "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ."

    We obviously need to know both the Father and the son, but why is knowing the holy spirit not mentioned if 'he' is an equal part of the trinity?

    What if I have no aspirations to go to heaven? I am a committed Christian but my hopes for the future are right here on earth, where God placed humans in the first place.

    I was raised in a church where going to heaven was never questioned, but as I got older, I realized that I didn't want to go to heaven....I wanted to stay here.....this is my home. After studying the Bible for many years I realized that it was never in God's first purpose to have humans live anywhere but on earth. The need for a savior and a sacrifice was only brought about by the disobedience of Adam and his wife. Have you ever wondered what would have happened if Eve had told the devil to "go away" as Jesus did?

    As free willed beings they could have made different choices. What if Adam had refused his wife's offer to partake of the forbidden fruit? We could be living in a whole different world! :D
     
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  3. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Ha! You say "Pagan derived" as if all of Christianity isn't Pagan derived.

    How about ministers? There are other Christian denominations that don't have any hierarchy between the members and God at all.

    Why "King James Version Only?"
     
  4. columbus

    columbus yawn <ignore> yawn

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    You really might want to get better familiar with the Bible.
    Simon was Peter's name. Peter was more like a nickname. Peter means "rock". Simon Peter would be translated Simon the Rock.
    Tom
     
  5. David1967

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    Just so you know (if you don't already) KJV onlyism is a cult within Christianity that makes an idol out of a particular English translation. There is a fellow within the denomination I grew up in that fell in to that and he is stark raving mad.
     
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  6. Rival

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    I know. I used to be one :blush:
     
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  7. lostwanderingsoul

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    What about all the verses that refer to Christ as the rock? There may be verses that use the name Simon Pter but none of them are translated as Simon the rock. Help me get more familiar with the Bible by pointing out an verse that actually calls Pter a rock.
     
  8. Unveiled Artist

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    mm.

    The Church is built on Jesus.
    the church is built on peter

    "On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church."

    "The comparison of the Church with the body casts light on the intimate bond between Christ and his Church. Not only is she gathered around him; she is united in him, in his body. Three aspects of the Church as the Body of Christ are to be more specifically noted: the unity of all her members with each other as a result of their union with Christ; Christ as head of the Body; and the Church as bride of Christ."

    "Christ "is the head of the body, the Church."225 He is the principle of creation and redemption. Raised to the Father's glory, "in everything he [is] preeminent,"226 especially in the Church, through whom he extends his reign over all things."

    Catechism of the Catholic Church

    The difference is Catholics don't differentiate between the two. Protestants do.

    Just sayin'

    ;)
     
  9. lostwanderingsoul

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    One line says the church is the body of Christ. Another line says the church is the bride of Christ. So Christ's bride is His own body? Do you see how this is just a lot of mumbo jumbo to hide the facts? There is nothing in the Bible that says Peter is the rock on which the church is built. Yes Peter's name may mean stone or rock but Christ is often referred to as the rock. The Catholic church may be built on Peter but God's church is not built on any human but on the Son of God, Jesus. That is reason enough to reject the Catholic church.
     
  10. columbus

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    From Matthew:
    It's pretty clear to me that Jesus was specifically referring to Simon son of Jonah as the Rock, in this particular verse. The person to whom he was giving authority.
    Tom
     
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    Did you have a church in mind that has a better foundation?

    Every church I've ever heard of either appeals to the same foundation as the Catholic Church or was derived - directly or indirectly - from the Catholic Church.
     
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    I listen to the Pope before I would listen to you.
     
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    It's obvious this person didn't come here to talk.

    Not worth entertaining really.
     
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