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Featured Why I could personally never chose to be Catholic

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by KingJamesVersionOnly, Feb 17, 2018.

  1. KingJamesVersionOnly

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    Reasons why I could personally never chose to be Catholic:
    Baptist prospective

    1st of all, comparing spiritual things with spiritual, I feel that as old as the Roman Catholic Church is; it still has not worked out it's kinks.
    - 1 Corinthians 2:13 (KJV Bible)

    I feel like if I'm going to partake congregationally to worship, it is a absolute must that i am 100% comfortable with the Church and its Doctrines, all elements combined.
    - Galatians 1:6-7 (of Galatians 1:1-12) (KJV Bible)

    It is well known most Baptist have issues with Catholicism because of the Catholic claim of: transubstantiation. Within the ritual of a catholic mass, the pope holds a piece of bread, turns his back, and while his back is turned. Proclaims that it "literally" turns into the physical flesh of Christ.

    3rdly, Christ is the head of the Church, There is absolutely no need for a Pope. It is opposite of scriptural and from what Iv heard, Pagan derived.
    - 1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV Bible)

    God Bless you,
    I have large hopes that you find a profitable King James Version Only proud and preaching Church near you & find the Bible way to Heaven.
     
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    Stanyon RF's Ultra -Square

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    Up, down, say some dreary chant and then sit down again only to get up again and do the same thing over and over again. I have had more than a few friends who were Catholics who died before me and I went along with the program out of respect for the traditions the families pretended to observe after they died. In the end the incense smelled good and those in the pews many, I am am sure their Demons followed them.
     
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    I could personally never be a Baptist because that denomination left me suicidal.
     
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    Stanyon RF's Ultra -Square

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    A communal baptismal dunking could reduce your suicidal tendencies, is that magick or what? I am here to help if you but grasp my hand
     
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    No, he doesn't. In the current order of Mass, the priest is always facing the congregation.

    If you don't want to be Catholic, don't be. I doubt anyone is trying to force you.
     
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    Stanyon RF's Ultra -Square

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    Because I'm fat, I don't like getting up and down, If God wanted me to do calisthentics then God would have given me the body and brain of a calisthehentologist.
     
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    Not a Catholic, but I'm crying foul. While its understandable that Baptists do not like to say that the bread is literally the flesh of Christ, they inconsistently then insist that nevertheless other things equally fantastic and visibly wrong are literal. Despite the fact that Jesus literally says "This is my flesh" and "this is my blood" the Baptists won't say it. Do they not see the irony and illogic of accepting everything else Jesus says but not that? They love to have passion plays and to talk about Jesus physical resurrection, but to believe Jesus very own words about the bread and wine is too much to ask.
     
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  8. Unveiled Artist

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    You dont have to be catholic. Out of all denominations Ive practiced, no catholic evanglized me into the Church. Thats all protestant.

    2...if you arent comfortable with its doctrines thats a personal decision not a universal right/wrong one

    3. No catholic believes the accidents are jesus. They believe the substance is. Its concecrated bread and wine. Concecrated. Also, the priest doesnt turn his back. He faces the congregation and says that he and then congregation are all, all, the body of christ. Latin Mass the back is turned for communion. English Mass, no.

    4. The pope is the contiuation of the apostles. The Church says Christ is the head. The Churchbis referred to as She. Married to Christ not in place of him. That and The Church is the body of believers not walls.

    Catholic bible came first. They put the bible together even chose which books are inspired. King James is pretty recent compared.

    Id look up the words transubsatiation and compare it to literal. If you dont see jesus in the bread, why would you think a catholic does. They arent delusional.

    If roman catholic doesnt work, maybe othorodox? They have a different view of pope and I think they dont define the eucharist as roman catholics.

    Another is read the catechism of the catholic church. Use your bible. They have scripture footnotes in the bottom.

    That, and you wont agree with any Church because its not a scripture only denomination. They didnt just throw out culture right before the 21st century. Its all together.

    Go with what feels comfortable to you. Dont belittle a denomination you dont follow. I know its your feelings. Just saying you can take a more humble disagreement.
     
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    Haha. Sit in the back on the side. When I went to mass with the elderly, they sat the whole mass. Customary to stand and sit, but you wont go to hell for it. ;)
     
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    I sit on the side because I need to urinate more frequently than most younger healthier type people seem to do, this is a fact. I think I will get a torte asada tomorrow at a local Mexican run grocery to celebrate my whiteness!
     
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    Musing Bassist Aesthetic Traditionalist

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    That is unless you attend a Tridentine or Anglican Use parish. :D
     
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    Omg get over yourself.
     
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    There is only one inner direction of the Eucharist, from Christ in the Holy Spirit to the Father.

    Then the question is how this can be best expressed in liturgical form. In the older form of the Mass this was expressed by the priest and people together facing the same way in a common act of trinitarian worship. The priest and people were united in facing eastward, a cosmic symbolism was drawn into the community celebration. The true location and the true context of the eucharistic celebration is the presentation of the hope of the parousia. It was never a case of the priest simply turning his back.

    The major difference is not in a choice of a particular Bible, but in
    its interpretation. Baptists interpret as historical all biblical events which are clearly intended by
    the sacred authors to be taken as such. Catholics believe that not all biblical narratives should be understood as historical, since the sacred writers also use narratives in a symbolic way to teach religious truths. The 'way to heaven' is through faith which preceded any book. There are numerous reason for not wanting to be a member of a particular religious expression, but those reasons ought to be founded on a correct understanding of what it is that one opposes.
     
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    Much of the rubrics in the Mass are a holdover from the Synagogue liturgy, including bowing and standing.
    In any service where there is a Torah reading, there is ordinarily a Torah procession. A congregant holds the Torah and carries it around the synagogue before and alfter the reading. As the Torah passes congregants, they touch the cover with their hand (or sometimes with a prayer book, or with their tallit) and then kiss their hand (or whatever they touched it with).
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    OK.
    You are too legalistic and self centered to be a Catholic.
    You are unable to be in community with people who don't see things the way you do. You are convinced that you know what people believe, better than they do.

    You aren't suited for Catholicism. Better you avoid it. There's nearly a billion Catholics, you won't be missed much.
    Tom
     
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    Catholic church says that Peter is the "rock" that the church is built on but the Bible says that Christ is the "rock". Why would God build His church on a human person instead of His son Jesus?
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    You need to reread your Bible and pay particular attention to the words in red.
    Tom
     
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    Buddha Dharma Dharma Practitioner

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    I could personally never be a KJV Onlyist because I know too much about the KJV's history and it's problems. I could also never be a Baptist because they believe in the Trinity, the virgin birth, and other ideas that appear to me off base. You think transubstantiation is less likely than any of the miraculous elements you accept as a Baptist? I wonder...
     
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    Jesus said "you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church". First of all Jesus did not say "on you I will build my church". Second, use your imagination and think that Jesus may have pointed at Pter when He said "you are Peter" and then pointed at Himself and said "on THIS rock I will build my church." Third, nowhere also is Peter called a rock but Jesus is called the rock many times. The old song "Rock of Ages" is about Jesus. And another song says "on Christ, the solid rock I stand". There is no song about Peter the rock
     
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    Jesus quotes and applies it to his mission Ps117:22
    'Jesus is the stone rejected by the builders' has become the cornerstone.

    The phrase is also recalled by Peter in Acts "This Jesus is the stone rejected by you the builders which has become the cornerstone.
     
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