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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Jan 7, 2020.

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  1. CG Didymus

    CG Didymus Well-Known Member

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    Thanks.
     
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    Thanks to you too. And thanks again to Firedragon for a great thread. I'll read on.
     
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  3. Vinayaka

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    To be honest, I'm skeptical whenever some non-Hindu starts asking about Hinduism, as very often it's just a doorway for comparison, and how to show that their religion is far superiour. That's the nature of many evangelizing faiths, and individuals who see that part of it as duty use questioning as a tool, not as a legitimate way to learn stuff. That happened in this thread ... no listening, just thinking, 'What else can I ask to make my faith look better, or Hinduism look stupid?"

    But you've reduced some of that skepticism in me. Thank you.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Yes, one has a choice, but Indian law prohibits proselytizing-- at least the last time I read.
     
  5. Jainarayan

    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    śrī kṛṣṇasya sevāyām - “In Lord Krishna’s service”
    I was referring to Rama. Krishna always knew of his divinity.
     
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    The honour is all mine brother. Thanks a lot for your patience to accommodate some questions that may from your insider perspective seem so dum. ;)

    Peace.
     
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  7. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Prohibits going over the rules and not proselytization. For example if any organization is getting funds from other countries, then they have to give a report on how the money was spent - FCRA - Foreign Constributions Regulation Act.
     
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  8. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Whether Rama or Krishna, they were appearances of the triple-omni Lord Vishnu. Is it possible that they would not know what they really are?
     
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    I think it's part of leela. I used to think Rama was a real git for what happened to Mother Sita after the return to Ayodhya, even with Agnidev vouching for Sita. But I see him very differently now. He didn't even use his authority as king to stop the gossip, much less his divinity. Now I look at him a lot differently. I will concede that maybe he was just acting in looking like he forgot who he is in order to fulfill his mission.
     
  10. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Yes, Lord Rama did not sleep on a bed but on the floor after Mother Sita was exiled and never used any thing of luxury, as the story says.
     
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    What have you learned about Krishna from those writings?
     
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    And well it should. Proselytising is third only to genocides and wars in terms of harm.
     
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    It is better to read one verse from the Hindu writings with joy and radiance rather than wearily read them all.

    Here’s one verse from the Bhagavad Gita:

    O son of Kunti, the contact between the senses and the sense objects gives rise to fleeting perceptions of happiness and distress. These are non-permanent, and come and go like the winter and summer seasons. O descendent of Bharat, one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed.

    Chapter 2, Verse 14 – Bhagavad Gita, The Song of God – Swami Mukundananda

    Now here is a little light reading about Krishna...

    SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM: CANTO 10 Part 1 - CONTENTS (Bhagavata Purana)
     
  14. Jainarayan

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    I just finished watching season 1 of the 1987 tv Ramayan series. It seems fairly true to the story as I remember it. Netflix isn’t carrying season 2 though.
     
  15. Aupmanyav

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    Yeah, Ramananda Sagar did a good research. To explain the small differences in the story, he used this line from Tulsi Das' "Rama Charit Manas":
    "Hari Ananta Hari Katha Ananta" (The Lord is endless, and so are his stories).
    Search, you will find all episodes.
     
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    @firedragon - there is a learned person who writes on Quora - Rami Sivan - he has - IMO - some very interesting insights in to some of the questions you have raised -
    Also I noticed an injection by @Muffled earlier trying to proclaim - without evidence - that "Christianity is superior"

    In the Geeta - Krishna replies directly to Arjuna about worshipping "other" deities

    yo yo yāṁ yāṁ tanuṁ bhaktaḥ śhraddhayārchitum ichchhati
    tasya tasyāchalāṁ śhraddhāṁ tām eva vidadhāmyaham


    Whatever celestial form a devotee seeks to worship with faith, I steady the faith of such a devotee in that form

    sa tayā śhraddhayā yuktas tasyārādhanam īhate
    labhate cha tataḥ kāmān mayaiva vihitān hi tān


    Endowed with faith, the devotee worships a particular celestial god and obtains the objects of desire. But in reality I alone arrange these benefits.

    And it is not a free pass -

    antavat tu phalaṁ teṣhāṁ tad bhavatyalpa-medhasām
    devān deva-yajo yānti mad-bhaktā yānti mām api


    But the fruit gained by these people of small understanding is perishable. Those who worship the celestial gods go to the celestial abodes, while my devotees come to me.
     
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    What you're saying is you can worship another being? I'm really sorry. I dont seem to have understood your comment.
     
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    Yep - that is exactly right - worship whom you would like - there are other passages that say that as long as one is spiritual and does good by one's fellow beings - one comes to the divine.
     
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    Thats great. Thanks.
     
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    Well, more specifically, how does the story of Krishna fit into the Baha'i interpretations? Like him being a manifestation but not an incarnation of a God? Like he spoke for the One True God and was not part of a polytheistic Godhead? Like a manifestation brings new social teachings and affirms the same eternal spiritual teachings? Since Baha'is don't believe in reincarnation, did you find some more things to support your belief that Krishna didn't actually teach reincarnation? And, how can Hinduism not have a manifestation as its founder?
     
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