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Featured Why God allows Evil

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Estro Felino, Aug 2, 2022.

  1. paradox

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    Would you prefer free will to be taken away from you just because there are maniacs living among us? even though you are normal person.
    Answer honestly.
     
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    Have you never seen animals warning the group or herd that predators are near? ;) This has a survival benefit for the species.
     
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    Why would a deity with omnipotence need to take away the free will of anyone at all? It could literally do anything? Assuming you ever grasp what omnipotence means then, why would it need to take my free will away? Can't it just focus on the free will of those raping children? Indeed it need not take away all autonomy from them, just prevent them raping children, at least as a start. This deity doesn't allow me to flap my arms and fly to into a black hole, isn't that taking away what you call free will?
     
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    Why would a deity with omnipotence need to take away the free will of anyone at all? It could literally do anything? I've no idea why you think it would need to take my free will away? Can't it just focus on the free will of those raping children? Indeed it need not take away all autonomy from them, just prevent them raping children, at least as a start. Even evolved primates like humans have managed that, we jail them. This deity doesn't allow me to flap my arms and fly to into a black hole, isn't that taking away what you call free will?
     
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    I see your point, but just like you complain about some maniac raping kids, so does somebody else complain about something else, out of 7 billion people living on earth there are countless complaints about countless of issues, so who out of these 7 billion should have precedence to say on what evil should god focus?

    Hey god, if you took free will from those abusing kids, why don't you also take away free will from bad politicians? and so on and so forth we end up taking free will from everyone because everbody complains about something. so we are back to same question by design, should free will be taken away?
     
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    Satan is the angel of Yahweh and does dirty work for him. He asked permission to torture Job. He worked with Yahweh. They work together. Your Middle ages theology doesn't work with scripture. It makes no sense. If Yahweh was sending Satan to kill untold thousands of people, children, of course it would create an unstable character.

    The NT Satan is just re-working the Persian devil into the myths. It doesn't make sense with the original Jewish beliefs about Satan.
     
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    Where does it say that? During the Persian occupation the Hebrew religious leaders did not know why Yahweh abandoned them. There are passages that are telling Yahweh to wake up because they thought he was sleeping.
    Yahweh says the Israelites will rule, all nations will bow down and so on. That didn't happen. They get help, never.

    So then do you believe what the angel Gabrielle said to Muhammad then? IF not you have a naturalistic supposition. Same with the angel Moroni.


    A huge study was done. No effects at all.

    "The efficacy of prayer has been studied since at least 1872, generally through experiments to determine whether prayer or intercessory prayer has a measurable effect on the health of the person for whom prayer is offered. Empirical research indicates that prayer and intercessory prayer have no discernible effects.[1]"Efficacy of prayer - Wikipedia

    Again, mortality rates prove no healings are happening beyond base probabilities.
     
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    The contradictory part.
     
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