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Why free will is real:

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by KelseyR, May 30, 2019.

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  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Generally when you choose something do you choose it....
    -because you're forced to
    -because you're expected to
    -because you're told to
    -because you want to

    Many things influence the choices we make. Some times it about sight, sound, smell, hearing, taste, feel, etc or a mixture of any of them and we use that information to make a choice.
     
  2. Skwim

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    As I've pointed out many times before, *sigh* I don't buy the notion that choosing, or any of its cognates such as choice, chose, or chosen, have any meaning They all express the illusion of deciding.

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  3. We Never Know

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    Yes I understand your stance. I don't share that same stance that it's an illusion.
     
  4. columbus

    columbus yawn <ignore> yawn

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    But all these things are consciously perceived, and the things that largely drive our behavior are the subconscious things and motivations. The ones we aren't really even aware of, or at best dimly. Instinctive drives, hormones, memories so vague we can't consciously recall them, etc etc.
    Free will is the illusion that our conscious mind is in charge of decisions, our volition. But free will is an illusion created by our limited perception of our motivations and drives.
    Although, it is a very powerful illusion.
    Tom
     
  5. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    So I take that free will is pretty much a state of mind.
     
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    Nope. I will explain my understandings of the terms

    Hard Determinism = The actions we make are pre-determined and our "will" does not factor at all into how we act. We do not really choose how we act.

    Free Will = The actions we take are the results of our will and our own personal decisions.
     
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    If you understand my stance then why bother to ask about choosing as if I believed it existed?

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  8. We Never Know

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    Probably the same reason when I understand someone's stance of believing in god yet I have a different stance and ask them things. It's called discussion. :)
     
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