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Featured Why Evolution and Christianity are Fundamentally Irreconcilable

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Hubert Farnsworth, May 29, 2018.

  1. Audie

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    Every atom must have it. Every sebatomic particle and
    all of electromagnetic energy, and of course, dark
    matter with all of the subdivisions there may be!

    Specified info in everyyhing!
     
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    No evidence of humans with wings other than mythology.
     
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  3. sooda

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    According to the Jewish calendar it has been 5779 years since creation, :)
     
  4. sooda

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    The concept of inherited sin does not exist in Islam. Islam teaches that Adam and Eve sinned, but then sought forgiveness and were forgiven by God.

    The doctrine of "inherited sin" is not found in most of mainstream Judaism.

    Although some in Orthodox Judaism place blame on Adam and Eve for overall corruption of the world, and though there were some Jewish teachers in Babylon who believed that mortality was a punishment brought upon humanity on account of Adam's sin, that is not the dominant view in most of Judaism today.

    Modern Judaism generally teaches that humans are born sin-free and untainted, and choose to sin later and bring suffering to themselves
     
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    I thought no one was allowed to post porn on RF.
     
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    Oh.. sorry.
     
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    No need to apologize to me. My name isn't John Ashcroft...
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    Wardrobe malfunction
     
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  9. sooda

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    I remember thinking that ashcroft was the boob.
     
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    Another wardrobe malfunction. "Hands up!" said the Department of Justice law enforcement officer.
     
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    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    I cannot agree more. The sole idea that a benevolent God, who knows what He wants, created such a cruel, wasteful and inefficient mechanism that involves catastrophes, the tuning of asteroids to destroy entire species, volcanoes, earthquakes, the extermination of 99% of all species, the eating of the weak, the burning of the slow, etc. etc. to create an ape, allegedely in His image, a few billions years later....is mind boggling.

    It is a like having a cake and eating it too. Still hold a belief while be scientific cool. Without realizing that both science and the bible are damaged by that stance.

    Of course, the liberal christian follows a very simple algorithm for what concerns the bible:

    1) if a passage is obviously defeated by science, then it is figurative
    2) the rest is literal, for now

    Not sure how intellectually honest that is. And I agree that fundies, while being obviously wrong, seem intellectually more consistent.

    Ciao

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    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Otherwise, by recursion, all living beings, including bacteria and bananas, would have an immortal soul.

    It follows logically from the premises.

    Ciao

    - viole
     
  13. Saint Frankenstein

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    I agree. That was one of the things that led me to drop Christianity. It doesn't reflect known history and science. I've heard various explanations that try to make Original Sin work with evolution but never found them convincing or that they make most sense. Traditional polytheism just works better because it doesn't ask you to believe anything you haven't experienced and is in harmony with the natural world, as it is our primal religion, the religion of nature.
     
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    That's what Rambam concluded in the 11th century AD.
     
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    A very well thought, profound, compelling and articulated rebuttal of the OP.

    Ciao

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    Well, ah . . . your faced many problems with this view. I would completely agree that contemporary science, including the science of abiogenesis and evolution, are irreconsilable with the ancient mythical world of Genesis and for that matter the rest of the Bible and the ancient scripture of other religions, but . . . The contemporary science, as well as the science of abiogenesis and evolution, is falsified beyond a reasonable doubt base don the same objective verifiable evidence and methods that make our computers work, and airplanes fly.
     
  17. Hubert Farnsworth

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    How is the existence of your polytheistic gods any more probable than the Christian god?
     
  18. Saint Frankenstein

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    Well, they're not a mess of contradictions that define them out of existence, for one.
     
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