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Featured Why don't angels need salvation?

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Frank Goad, Aug 17, 2019.

  1. Frank Goad

    Frank Goad Active Member

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    Why don't angels(the good ones)need salvation?
     
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    According to my understanding good angels are souls that have attained salvation.
     
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  3. Deeje

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    What is salvation? And what are we being saved from? Answer those questions and you will see that angels are involved in the issue of salvation too. After untold millenniums of existence in heaven, the angels were, for the first time, confronted with a rebel. The issue of God's rightful Sovereignty over his creation was now called into question. This issue involved angels as much as it did humans.

    It was an angel who led humankind into sin and death. And in time, other angels followed him. What is their fate? It is the same as for humans....they too will forfeit their existence. It is God's adverse judgment that we need to be saved from. He shows us how to be saved from that judgment.
    Afterwards, the faithful angels, like faithful humans will continue to serve God loyally......forever.
     
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  4. 74x12

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    They already have it. They were tested already and passed the test. Satan and the fallen angels failed the test.
     
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    Angels are humans who have died and gone to Heaven. There are a couple of people who have been kicked out and reincarnated but that generally does not happen. In Heaven, if you were to do something that is worthy of death, you wouldn't have been admitted to Heaven in the first place. You also cannot go from Heaven to Hell or vice versa. What happens is you are reincarnated.
     
  6. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I almost got suckered in with that.

    It's yet another huge contradiction in the Bible that sin is without penalty for the Angels and not transmitted, but mankind sin is penalized and transmitted.
     
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    Angels are special spiritual created by God and given eternal life at their creation. They do not need salvation.
     
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    Where exactly do you get the idea that sin is without penalty for the angels and not transmitted? It seems like you're just looking for a contradiction so you have to make one where there isn't one.
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Because according to the narrative all the Angels were not cursed however in the case of man, all mankind was cursed.
     
  10. Ellen Brown

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    The Bible doesn't say enough to reveal the state of the Angels. John did say in Revelation 12 that there was a war in heaven. You should read it for yourselves. About a third of the Angels were cast to earth. The rest is time wasting speculation
     
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    But that's obviously because we're all descendants of Adam and Eve. Angels are not descendants of anyone. They aren't born. Just created.

    So, because we are born from the two original human sinners; that's why we are in the same boat so to speak.
     
  12. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Everybody knows the fallen angels are demons. Regular angels serve God loyally.

    The better question is what makes angels( the good ones) so special?
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Angels are cool because you can make up anything about them and it's just as accurate as the next person's version.

    Kinda like wizards.
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  14. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Angel's don't have the same freedom humans do.
     
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    Um, does the Bible say that?
     
  16. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    By deduction its implied. Where else would the demons in the Gospels come from.
     
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    Demons are just demons?
     
  18. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    How is that different from, "No, the Bible doesn't say that. I made it up because otherwise the Bible doesn't make much sense."?
    Tom
     
  19. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Well, where did the demons come from then? Some churches teach that demons are the fallen angels. I did not make it up myself.

    And, no, the Bible does not make much sense. I am not going to defend it.
     
  20. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Human imagination.
    Really, it's no more difficult to understand than "Where did pixie, unicorns, or Yeti come from?".
    Tom
     
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