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Why don’t you believe in God?

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
Not inability. We're born with the ability to believe in gods. Children believe whatever they're told by a trusted source uncritically, which is why the church is so anxious to get back int the schools and have access to the children of parents who don't teach them about gods or take them to churches.

And not science. Empiricism, or informal science - the "science" we all do every day collecting evidence, generating correct inductions, and confirming and benefitting from them by applying them to specific instances in order to successfully predict outcomes through deduction. That's an acquired skill deliberately and painstakingly cultivated, not an inability to believe by faith. It's an unwillingness.
Evidence needed
Not inability. We're born with the ability to believe in gods. Children believe whatever they're told by a trusted source uncritically, which is why the church is so anxious to get back int the schools and have access to the children of parents who don't teach them about gods or take them to churches.

And not science. Empiricism, or informal science - the "science" we all do every day collecting evidence, generating correct inductions, and confirming and benefitting from them by applying them to specific instances in order to successfully predict outcomes through deduction. That's an acquired skill deliberately and painstakingly cultivated, not an inability to believe by faith. It's an unwillingness.
i’m a little confused. So what you’re saying is evidence is needed.?
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
There's no benevolent power at work on planet Earth. There exists a brutal, survival, and power game amongst humans. The universe is hostile and indifferent to life on Earth. If humanity is to survive then power needs be given to the trustworthy and deserving instead of merely using up such people as pawns.

If God is charitable and benevolent then no such God exists for the aforementioned reasons. If any other God would exist without charity and benevolence then that God is merely worthless.

The universe behaves as there were no transcendent force. Existence couldn't care less about transcendence. Life is a scavenger and beggar in the universe.

Nothing on Earth indicates that life has an ideal existence somewhere out there. Honest working humans are what produce the quality of life that so many people enjoy, yet they themselves receive little reward. If there were a God we would see justice operating in the world.
So you reject God for philosophical reasons?
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
How can the average Joe detect gods, but to rational minds examining the issue there is nothing?

Try to actually think about this, and put some effort in defending your claim.
I’m average and I sense a higher being. I also sense, a higher human being living on earth.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Is it because of your inability to believe in anything that can’t be explained by science?
When I was one of those anti-theist, anti-religion little twats in my youth, that was part of it but it was more complicated than that. And I find it more important to understand the cultural context of modern, domesticated American society that forms the backdrop for these experiences because I was very much an unfortunate product of that until I learned better.

Specifically, I'm referring to the modern obsession with logos and its general ignorance and devaluing of mythos. You see this in the education system in particular, with the continued demise and destruction of the studies of what it means to be human and the elevation of STEM fields not just at universities but also in earlier stages of public education. It feeds into the capitalist obsession with product over process; it doesn't matter how the machine was made, only that it gets made. The meaning of it doesn't matter, only that it functions (and makes someone money). A loss of mythos for logos. And we've had a predictable rise in mental health ailments as a result.

At the time I threw what was basically a childhood tantrum and quit going to church and rejected Catholicism, that was a time in my life when I was especially blind to mythos and especially overtuned in to logos. I concluded all theology and religion was bull crap because it wasn't science and because it wasn't logical. I threw the seeds out with the soil like an idiot child instead of bothering to understand what theology and religion are really about. And public education doesn't teach kids squat about theology and religion either, so I stayed an ignorant little twat for quite a while. It is what it is.

Some folks just stay blind to these things. That too, is what it is.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
So you need evidence to believe something?
Since all the ones I have investigated have turned out to be man-made constructions, at the very least I will need evidence that the god you propose I believe in is not a man-made construction. without some evidence, I default to no belief, as opposed to disbelief.
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
I see no justice in the world. Nor is there any proof God exists. It's not a matter of rejecting what I know is there. It's a matter of dismissing what I know is not there.
Well, hopefully one day you will see the world in a better light. So you do need proof? Thank you for clarifying that it’s a matter of what’s not there rather than what is there.
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
Since all the ones I have investigated have turned out to be man-made constructions, at the very least I will need evidence that the god you propose I believe in is not a man-made construction. without some evidence, I default to no belief, as opposed to disbelief.
Thank you for the clarification of no belief rather than disbelief
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
If you want to make sound conclusions and avoid being influenced into believing irrational ideas, logic and reasoning is the best way. Your views defy definitions and facts, and you don’t seem interested in truth.
I’m very interested in truth. Like I said, we see the world differently
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
I’m average and I sense a higher being. I also sense, a higher human being living on earth.
But as we have noted, it is only your personal opinion as you are unable to communicate it to anyone else, I.e. you cannot provide evidence only the assertion.
Santa claws and the Thoth fairy jaded us.
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
When I was one of those anti-theist, anti-religion little twats in my youth, that was part of it but it was more complicated than that. And I find it more important to understand the cultural context of modern, domesticated American society that forms the backdrop for these experiences because I was very much an unfortunate product of that until I learned better.

Specifically, I'm referring to the modern obsession with logos and its general ignorance and devaluing of mythos. You see this in the education system in particular, with the continued demise and destruction of the studies of what it means to be human and the elevation of STEM fields not just at universities but also in earlier stages of public education. It feeds into the capitalist obsession with product over process; it doesn't matter how the machine was made, only that it gets made. The meaning of it doesn't matter, only that it functions (and makes someone money). A loss of mythos for logos. And we've had a predictable rise in mental health ailments as a result.

At the time I threw what was basically a childhood tantrum and quit going to church and rejected Catholicism, that was a time in my life when I was especially blind to mythos and especially overtuned in to logos. I concluded all theology and religion was bull crap because it wasn't science and because it wasn't logical. I threw the seeds out with the soil like an idiot child instead of bothering to understand what theology and religion are really about. And public education doesn't teach kids squat about theology and religion either, so I stayed an ignorant little twat for quite a while. It is what it is.

Some folks just stay blind to these things. That too, is what it is.
Thanks for sharing. It’s unfortunate that a lot of people go down that road.

Regarding stem, how it gets made is exactly what stem teaches. I mean, you can only teach a first grader so much.
 
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