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Why don’t you believe in God?

F1fan

Veteran Member
You seem to think that any kind of thinking a person chooses is just as valid as any other as if valid reasoning were subjective. If so, that's incorrect. It is also the kind of thinking that underlies the Dunning-Kruger phenomenon, as with, "That's just your opinion" said in response to a demonstrably correct argument.
This is a problem that we observe on many discussions, and the dilemma is that the unskilled thinkers lacks the very skill that would llow them to understand their thinking is flawed and incorrect. The unskilled thinker is at risk to be on a loop of thought that has no tool to adjust the direction towards truth.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
This is a problem that we observe on many discussions, and the dilemma is that the unskilled thinkers lacks the very skill that would llow them to understand their thinking is flawed and incorrect. The unskilled thinker is at risk to be on a loop of thought that has no tool to adjust the direction towards truth.

Well, as long as we can agree that is not just the case for gods, but rather in effect connects to how we understands the norms connected to the concepts of truth and all its other related words.
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
This is a problem that we observe on many discussions, and the dilemma is that the unskilled thinkers lacks the very skill that would llow them to understand their thinking is flawed and incorrect. The unskilled thinker is at risk to be on a loop of thought that has no tool to adjust the direction towards truth.
IYO
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
Seems like you’ve already decided you know why people don’t believe in god. You can’t think of anything else? Just a get in people’s faces for no good reason thread?
Not at all. I am genuinely interested if this is the reason. If there are other reasons, I’d be glad to hear them as well.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Why don’t you believe in God?

I believe in G-d, it is so natural.

Regards
Yes evolutionarily it is natural to seek answers to that which we don't know and so we invent gods of thunder and rain and sun and why bad things seem to happen. As we find more useful answers to these questions we come to realize that gods are just something that we naturally create to minimize feeling of uncertainty and not actually useful or extant.
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
Yes evolutionarily it is natural to seek answers to that which we don't know and so we invent gods of thunder and rain and sun and why bad things seem to happen. As we find more useful answers to these questions we come to realize that gods are just something that we naturally create to minimize feeling of uncertainty and not actually useful or extant.
IYO
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion

Yeah, it is really not all opinion. If that was the case you could control the universe by changing your opinon and the universe would change. Now that is a simple test, so if it is all opinion change the universe by changing your opinion and then get back to us with the result. Did it work?
 

Tomef

Well-Known Member
Not at all. I am genuinely interested if this is the reason. If there are other reasons, I’d be glad to hear them as well.
You’re presupposing there ought to be a reason not to believe. And no, it’s not a question of semantics. I don’t need a reason not to believe there are magical creatures who come out at night to make the grass longer in my garden. I would need a reason to believe that, and there isn’t one.

Early humans invented various kinds of supernatural beings and forces to explain things they had no other explanation for. That is what gods are - a human invention. At first there were many, much, much, later in human history the formation of empires led to the creation of fictional mega-gods, one up from the intermediary city gods, which eventually morphed into the idea of one, all-powerful, omnipresent god. That god is a recent human invention. You can quite easily track that process of human creation of gods through ancient literature. Even within the Bible, god changes and develops.

Science is useful for explaining a lot about how the universe works, and for finding a lot of practical life solutions. Maybe there are things beyond science? Who knows? But there is zero reason to think that whatever they are they would correspond with our imaginary ideas about gods. There’s no more reason to think there is some human-like god being out there than to think there is a real version of a talking cartoon train somewhere, like Thomas the tank engine, or a real Don Quijote charging at windmills. They are all fictional characters, created by people who write books.
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
You’re presupposing there ought to be a reason not to believe. And no, it’s not a question of semantics. I don’t need a reason not to believe there are magical creatures who come out at night to make the grass longer in my garden. I would need a reason to believe that, and there isn’t one.

Early humans invented various kinds of supernatural beings and forces to explain things they had no other explanation for. That is what gods are - a human invention. At first there were many, much, much, later in human history the formation of empires led to the creation of fictional mega-gods, one up from the intermediary city gods, which eventually morphed into the idea of one, all-powerful, omnipresent god. That god is a recent human invention. You can quite easily track that process of human creation of gods through ancient literature. Even within the Bible, god changes and develops.

Science is useful for explaining a lot about how the universe works, and for finding a lot of practical life solutions. Maybe there are things beyond science? Who knows? But there is zero reason to think that whatever they are they would correspond with our imaginary ideas about gods. There’s no more reason to think there is some human-like god being out there than to think there is a real version of a talking cartoon train somewhere, like Thomas the tank engine, or a real Don Quijote charging at windmills. They are all fictional characters, created by people who write books.
Thank you for sharing your outlook on life. Have you ever sought out God on your own terms?
 
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