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Why Doesn't America?

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
I got to thinking of Canadian and American history the other day. A strange thought started creeping into my mind. Why doesn't the United States listen to Canada more? I realize I say this with a bit of bias, but I'll give my reasons.

Vietnam:

Canada: "We believe in multilateralism and UN co-operation. Let's work with other countries to improve human rights around the world in a peaceful, non-violent way."

USA: "*guns-blazing* KILL DEM COMMIES!!!!"

...The next day..."58,226 Dead American Troops, 4,000,000+ Vietnamese Civilians Killed", "US withdraws from Vietnam", "30,000-90,000 Americans Seek Asylum in Canada"

...Who was right?

Status of Cuba:

Canada: "We support Cuba's right to its own government if that is the will of the Cuban people."

USA: "*guns-blazing* KILL DEM COMMIES!"

...The next day... "Cuba outranks US in Education Index, Literacy, and Infant Mortality", "Cuban Civilians Hurt by US Embargo" "US Establishes Relations with Communist Vietnam" "US Trade with Communist China Increases" "US Attempts Assassination of Fidel Castro....'cuz he's a dirty Commie"

Iraq War:

Canada: "We denounce the actions of 9/11 and are fully committed to finding those responsible for this act. However, we see no link with Iraq and 9/11."

USA: "*guns-blazing* KILL DEM A-RABS!"

...The next day "4,359 Dead American Troops" "100,000 Documented Iraqi Civilian Deaths"

Global Financial Meltdown:

Canada: "Let's regulate the banks so that they don't give out loans to people who can't afford to pay them back."

USA: "Regulation!? That's just plain-Jane Communism!"

...The next day..."Canada's banking system rated #1 in the world for 2nd Straight Year." "US in $10 Trillion Bailout" "Over a Quarter Million Homes Lost All Over the US." "Royal Bank of Canada Consuming American Banks Like a Fat Trucker Eats Grand Slams at Denny's".

...Do I even need to ask?

The Northwest Passage:

Canada: "We understand there is a shortage of maps in the US. As your friendly neighbours, we have decided to lend you one of ours:

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USA: "*guns-blazing* MOVE OVER, CANADA! WE GOTTA KILL DEM COMMIES!"

...The next day..."American Ice-Breaker Enters Northwest Passage, Triggering Mild Annoyance With Canadians" "Prime Minister of Canada Jean Poutine Interviewed, says 'I'm just glad they didn't accidentally fire on Iqaluit'"

...Who is CLEARLY right?

Virtually All International Rankings:

Canada: "We have maintained consistent top world rankings in areas of health, education, quality of life, and happiness. According to the Democracy Index, we are one of the most democratic countries in the world and we have some of the most free press on the globe. We are stable, according to the Failed States Index. We are committed to improving these with whatever resources available at our disposal."

USA: "Yeah, but you're SOCIALIST!! USA! USA! USA! WOOOOO!!!"

...The next day..."Senators Fight to Keep Public Option (aka. 'Socialized Medicine')"

...Really??

I don't mean this to be a post where I'm doing some penile waving and pointing "HA, HA! We're better than you!!". Not at all. Nor am I saying that this represents what all Americans think/thought at the time of each event I pointed out. But that was basically the US Government's approach...

I'm asking a legitimate question (in a subtle way) of why doesn't the US even attempt to emulate some of what we do if it's quite obvious if you look at the numbers what we're doing in terms of domestic policy and foreign policy and foreign relations is pretty damn good.

Any ideas? Is it that America has sold out to corporations that don't give a damn about the interests of the people? Is it corruption in the government? Is it the brainwashing and fear-mongering of the mass media? Is it a failure of the American education system? You tell me.
 
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whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
I'd listen to Canada. But it rarely gives me personal advice. I've got a shirt that says "Canada" on it. I bought it after the Maid of the Mist turned out to actually be the Maid of the Monsoon. No one told me... And the ponchos they give out are size XXXXXXXXX Large. Seriously, I was tripping over it when I was walking up the stairs, and the sleeves were big enough to fit watermelons through. I'm not even exaggerating. Um... I guess they need to assume every passenger will be horrendously obese.

Anyway, maybe the states and Canada should merge into one big country, since Alaska is already way up there anyway. We could be the United Provinces and States of Canadian America. :danana:
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It is not in the interests of the American military industrial complex to listen to Canada.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
I'd listen to Canada. But it rarely gives me personal advice. I've got a shirt that says "Canada" on it. I bought it after the Maid of the Mist turned out to actually be the Maid of the Monsoon. No one told me... And the ponchos they give out are size XXXXXXXXX Large. Seriously, I was tripping over it when I was walking up the stairs, and the sleeves were big enough to fit watermelons through. I'm not even exaggerating. Um... I guess they need to assume every passenger will be horrendously obese.

Anyway, maybe the states and Canada should merge into one big country, since Alaska is already way up there anyway. We could be the United Provinces and States of Canadian America. :danana:


In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind a union with some of the Democratic-majority states.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
I'd listen to Canada. But it rarely gives me personal advice. I've got a shirt that says "Canada" on it. I bought it after the Maid of the Mist turned out to actually be the Maid of the Monsoon. No one told me... And the ponchos they give out are size XXXXXXXXX Large. Seriously, I was tripping over it when I was walking up the stairs, and the sleeves were big enough to fit watermelons through. I'm not even exaggerating. Um... I guess they need to assume every passenger will be horrendously obese.

Anyway, maybe the states and Canada should merge into one big country, since Alaska is already way up there anyway. We could be the United Provinces and States of Canadian America. :danana:
Ponchos? Are you sure you were in Canada?
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Why should being rid of it be a solution? And why should any nation listen to a foreign nation?

Are you honestly asking me why getting rid of the defense industry's influence on the American government and replacing it with the will of the American people is a solution?

What colour is the sky? Are we on the same planet?

As for your second question, I think you misunderstand me. I'm not advocating Canada forcibly dictating the affairs of the US. But a lot of these wars and conflicts could have been avoided if the US was more in sync with Canadian policy. And a lot of its domestic problems probably would have been solved decades ago.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
There is no such thing as right and wrong. They are subjective.

Do you really want to agree with someone who is of the opinion that killing millions of civilians and intimidating foreign governments is the "right" thing to do?

Does anyone here? If so, I invite you to speak up.

If you are not of this opinion, I don't understand why it would be brought up in the first place. If you agree that killing millions of innocent civilians is wrong and intimidating foreign governments is not the "right" thing to do, why the difficulty?
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
Do you really want to agree with someone who is of the opinion that killing millions of civilians and intimidating foreign governments is the "right" thing to do?

Does anyone here? If so, I invite you to speak up.

If you are not of this opinion, I don't understand why it would be brought up in the first place. If you agree that killing millions of innocent civilians is wrong and intimidating foreign governments is not the "right" thing to do, why the difficulty?

I didn't even know what we were talking about. I just noticed you seemed to think there were definite "right" and "wrong" things to do, when there aren't. No one has the authority to say what is right and what is wrong. That said, of course I don't think it's right to kill millions of people, because I just said that right and wrong are subjective. That doesn't mean I don't have a preference though. I don't think killing people is nice, but I don't have the authority to say that it is wrong.

It's not really relevant to this topic, so we don't really need to talk about it... But just so you know, I'm against killing millions of civilians... I just don't think we can say that it is wrong, since there's no definite guidelines for right and wrong.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
whereismynotecard said:
There is no such thing as right and wrong. They are subjective.

whereismynotecard said:
I don't think killing people is nice, but I don't have the authority to say that it is wrong.

Definition of Subjective said:
Taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias

My question to you is if you don't have authority to decide what is right and what is wrong...and that decision is entirely subjective (both by your own admission)....who controls your mind?

Edit: Forgot this part

whereismynotecard said:
I just don't think we can say that it is wrong, since there's no definite guidelines for right and wrong.

Unless we define them.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
I think the issue runs deeper than "Why doesn't the US look at what other countries are doing to improve itself?", although my point with Canada illustrates that pretty well. The question is more to do with why the American people seemingly have little say in what their government does and what are the influences on them?

These are central questions (I think) to answer why the world is in the shape it's in.
 

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
My question to you is if you don't have authority to decide what is right and what is wrong...and that decision is entirely subjective (both by your own admission)....who controls your mind?

Edit: Forgot this part



Unless we define them.

What? I control my mind. What are you talking about? I have opinions on stuff, but I'm not the grand magical decider, so I don't get to say something is right or wrong, and neither does anyone else. My definition of what is right could be very different from everyone elses. There is no way to have universal rights and wrongs.
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
America should listen to everyone but themselves. They're so bad at opening their mouthsd and making rubbish decisions that we have to hear about it in Australia.

We never hear about Canada because they're never ****** up like the USA.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Do you really want to agree with someone who is of the opinion that killing millions of civilians and intimidating foreign governments is the "right" thing to do?

Does anyone here? If so, I invite you to speak up.
Why does the military industrial complex leave such a bad taste in your mouth?

Canada can afford the luxuary of foregoing the expenditure of a military budget. We have you all covered, right?

Oh, I know. You think that you are safe because you all are a nice country and no one would ever try to do you wrong, right?

So, would Canada be better off without it's neighbor to the south?

Do you really believe that enemy combatants are innocent civilians?

The cowards hide among the innocents and put their lives in jeopardy.

Who is really responsible for their deaths?

If Canada is so superior and insightful, why did you all fight along side of us in many conflicts that you mentioned in your OP?
 
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