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Featured Why does God want humans to worship him?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Epic Beard Man, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. 1213

    1213 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I am no a Muslim and not bind by Quran.

    Yes, we should not have any other Gods. But what does worship mean in your opinion? In that case “worship” seems to mean that we should not have other gods.

    I don’t think that is God demanding something from us.
     
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    Worship of God refers to fear and awe. God is our Judge and he is omnipotent. Our lives are in his hands. Praise the Lord.
     
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    YHWH didn't desire worship, YHWH is worshiped.
     
  4. Epic Beard Man

    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    Yes, and you're not Jewish either which came before Christianity. If you didn't know Jews don't believe in your "JC" as some call him. Jews have at least theologically and philosophically more aligned with Muslims and Islam than do Christianity. In fact even it was said by a Jewish philosophers Maimonides that its acceptable for a Jew to pray at a mosque and not a Christian church but of course Jews are not bound by the Qur'an they are bound by the fact that Allah, is the same deity as YHVH but that's none of my business.

    No, Jesus specifically said as I mentioned that we should worship God. This is a commandment provided in the Sh'ma.

    It is not for you to think. You proclaim to be a disciple of Jesus yet do not believe we are commanded to worship the Creator? Jesus said reciting the Sh'ma to love God with all your heart and soul. This includes worship. Look I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you that is abundantly clear. We are commanded to worship whether we accept it or not.
     
  5. Epic Beard Man

    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    Ok, now tell that to atheists because they don't worship him.
     
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  7. Epic Beard Man

    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    Says who?
     
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    Why? Do you have a problem with that?
     
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    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    Nevermind
     
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    Quran tells:


    ….The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah … ….believe in Allah and His messengers. …

    Surat An-Nisā' 4:171
    http://quran.com/4/171

    If Allah and Bible God are the same, why don’t Muslims and Jews believe Jesus, like Quran recommends?

    Please explain what “worship” means?
     
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    Why does God want humans to worship him?

    Worship is:
    • understanding and appreciating the attributes of G-d
    • and then acquiring those attributes in one's self
    So, G-d does not need our worshiping Him, it is we humans who need to worship Him.

    Regards
     
  12. Epic Beard Man

    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    Muslims do believe in Jesus, Jews do not. The Qur'an specifically talks about Christians referring to their doctrine and Jews to theirs.

    Fairly straightforward......Worship is to demonstrate reverence and adoration for a deity. Either through obeisance, or through a form of meditation.
     
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    Even fighting has it in itself to be non-violent if its only fighting a demon.
     
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    Before President Johnson became president he said whoever has the ultimate position has the ultimate power.
    ( Hence the space race. Who can control outer space controls Earth )
    In Scripture, I find God has the Ultimate Position (Heaven) and has the Ultimate Power (Creator- Revelation 4:11).
    Unlike man, God informs us of what is ahead of us as found at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
    When the ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security..." that will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
     
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    I find biblical worship is connected to prayer, the pages of the Bible (meditating on Scripture), and good association.
    - Hebrews 10:24-26.
     
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    Since God does Not force anyone to worship Him, then it is just as He did Not demand Adam and Eve to do so.
    They were simply told if you want to live forever, then keep away from that one forbidden tree.
    So, out of all the trees on Earth, there was only one tree they were to avoid if they wanted to live forever.
     
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    In all frankness, the clergy want to get paid. Notice how touchy they get if you just sit at home in private worship. No, you have to make some pilgrimage, local or otherwise, to some random tourist trap and pay lots of money.
     
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    But they don’t believe what he says.

    But where is that said in the Bible?
     
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    I find ' in all frankness ' it is the 'false' clergy who want to get paid.(salary)
    Jesus was Not paid, and instructed to preach and teach for ' free ' at Matthew 10:8.
    So, it is the fake ' weed/tares' clergy and Not the genuine ' wheat ' Christians that want to be paid.
    Even the apostle Paul worked at tentmaking so as to support himself in the ministry - Acts of the Apostles 18:3
    See also 1 Thessalonians 2:9
     
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    I like how Jesus' half-brother James expressed about worship at James 1:27
    A pure form of worship involves taking care of the orphans and widows in their times of trouble.
    Plus, to keep oneself without spot from the world.
    The world of mankind alienated from the God of the Bible.
    How Jesus and his 1st-century followers were without spot was by being ' neutral ' in world affairs.
    They did Not even get involved in the issues of the day between the Jews verses the Romans.
     
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