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Featured Why does God(s) test some more than others...?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Nimos, Feb 22, 2021.

  1. Bird123

    Bird123 Well-Known Member

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    God does not punish. God teaches. In a multilevel classroom with so many different levels of understanding and views, each must get their own personal test. On the other hand, each will choose what lessons they want to learn through those choices. Our choices and actions show God and the world what we know, understand and what we need to learn. It's always been in our own little hands.

    That's what I see. It's very clear!!
     
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  2. loverofhumanity

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    These quotes from my faith may be helpful.

    Tests are benefits from God, for which we should thank Him. Grief and sorrow do not come to us by chance, they are sent to us by the Divine Mercy for our own perfecting. – Abdu’l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 50.

    The mind and spirit of man advance when he is tried by suffering. The more the ground is ploughed the better the seed will grow, the better the harvest will be. – Ibid., p. 178.
     
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    What a wonderful insightful answer. Love it.
     
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  4. Nimos

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    But whether God put us here or not doesn't give us purpose and it offers no explanation either. The questions remain the same, regardless of whether we came along through some unknown material means or whether God created us.

    If we go with the idea that God did in fact create us, what purpose does that bring to our existence? God haven't explained this purpose, except that he thought it was good.

    Being saved in this current life to then be resurrected on a new Earth, is neither an explanation or something purposeful in regards to our existence.

    If whatever purpose befalls us are revealed at this new Earth, then clearly our current life, must either be to prepare us for it or absolutely meaningless. But given the fact that we do not know the purpose with any of this, our current lives is probably best compared to that of a child in daycare, showing up to shovel sand around in a sandbox.

    Again how does that explain the purpose? Besides humans being there for the pleasure of God? Making us more like pets like that of a cat, rather than intelligent and free willed people.

    No, not even close. Again a pet when we adopt it as a young, doesn't choose us. We choose it and feed and take care of it and is there mostly for our pleasure. Some people will obviously save animals due to other more global goals, like diversity in nature and for the good of the planet. But for the most part when talking pets they are there for our pleasure.

    God created humans because he wanted to, and again the best explanation we have for it, is that he thought it was good. We didn't choose anything and we were not given an explanation for it either.

    Because in an organization you have a saying, you apply to be part of it and when doing so you agree to certain rules. If you are not happy with the terms you can leave or choose not to apply in the first place.

    When it comes to life, we were not given a choice, we were born into the "organization" with rules forced upon us to follow. And if we do not agree with management, in a lot of cases the penalty will be death. So there is a huge different here.

    That is correct, but everything you say here, is what you would expect a slave to say, rather than someone arguing for why choosing to work with someone is the best option, because it makes the most sense and give you the best quality of life.

    So it makes little sense, to then say that "God is choosing us as much as we think we are choosing him." none of that exists in this arrangement, you either do or you get punished.
     
  5. Nimos

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    How do you teach someone to not be a homosexsual, to just take a very easy example? And if they choose to share their love with a partner, they are "taught" that they ought to be killed for it and that it is their own fault?

    To me that is neither the wisdom of a teacher or a purposeful lesson to be taught anyone. It is a punishment for doing something, that God doesn't like.
     
  6. Bird123

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    Diversity is an important part of God's system. Is it wrong to Love? Is it right to Hate due to Diversity?
    Are you sure there are not lessons to be learned here?

    Our actions and choices return not as punishment, but to teach us what our actions really mean. We are Living our Lessons. When one Understands all sides, Intelligence will make the Best Choices.

    God is Unconditional Love. There is nothing anyone could do to make God angry or hate. On the other hand, people can choose some hard lessons for themselves. Regardless, everyone will learn and grow, then reach that Higher Level. After all, there is no time limit on learning.

    That's what I see. It's very clear!!
     
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    I get the wishful thinking or thoughts that goes into this or what to call it. But what I don't get is how you make it fit what the bible tells us?

    If this is God's way to teach people, then what does homosexsuals enjoying each others company teach them in regards of lesson? As far as I can see, they cause no harm to each other or anyone else, im yet to hear an explanation for why ordinary people (NOT God) would agree with him in why this is wrong?

    How are these people of such sexsual orientation getting out on the other side, thinking "Yes, I really learn a lesson here." What exactly do you think they learn from it?

    You say that, "There is nothing anyone could do to make God angry or hate" then why do God order the killing of people throughout the whole bible? Why is it that not all wrongdoing are punished equally or not at all, if none of it bothers God?

    As I said, i understand the reasoning for why people say God is this and that as believers, but rarely do these seems to relate to the bible and what is written in it. If God is unconditional love, explaining these things ought to be easy for anyone when asked these questions, I think.

    Assuming there is no God and I asked a simple question, like:

    "Would it be morally right to punish people with death, due to their sexual orientation, if them acting on it, causes no harm to themself, other people or animals?"

    A question like this should be easy to answer assuming that God does not exist, yet why is it not easily answered, when we assume he does?

    If God is unconditional love, then why would he consider it morally wrong and that it ought to be punished by death?
     
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    The answer is so easy. It stares you in the face. The Bible is a creation of Mankind. That is who it reflects. It is not God. Your first clue to this is that so much of it simply does not add up.

    Everything about God Does add up.

    I have found no religion that really Understands God at all. On the other hand, they all seem to have bits within them. The Bible, for example, has many good things about Love. On the other hand, the Bible reflects mankind when it values so many of the petty things mankind holds so dear.

    That's what I see. It's very clear!!
     
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    I believe God would like to see people display some faith: John 6:5 Lifting up his eyes, then, and seeing that a large crowd was coming toward him, Jesus said to Philip, “Where are we to buy bread, so that these people may eat?” 6 He said this to test him, for he himself knew what he would do
     
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