Why Does God Hate Sex?

[Altfish]

About 15-20 years ago a professor in the US state of Georgia wrote a paper.
He said that in 1900 feminism was offensive to mainstream society. In 1950
homosexuality was in the same situation. He opined that one day child porn or
child sex would be accepted (can't remember which one)
Georgia state legislature couldn't silence the man, but they took a sum out of
the annual budged for that university equal to the professor's salary.

Yet, Georgia was one of the first states in USA to water down child-porn laws.
Eventually, seeing children as sex objects will become mainstream. It will come
either through child right laws, pornography, virtual pornography, cultural wars or
the general commercial and social sexualization of kids. Sadly, this will be as
common as polygamy.

Child porn/sex has become less and less 'acceptable' in the last 50-years.
Look at all the cases with celebrities, priests, etc. now doing time for cases that happened in the 80's or whenever.
In modern, advanced countries protection of the child will be at the fore

 

[blü 2]

Georgia was one of the first states in USA to water down child-porn laws.

Please refresh my memory. What exactly did they water down?

 

[Jumi]

About 15-20 years ago a professor in the US state of Georgia wrote a paper.
He said that in 1900 feminism was offensive to mainstream society. In 1950
homosexuality was in the same situation. He opined that one day child porn or
child sex would be accepted (can't remember which one)
Georgia state legislature couldn't silence the man, but they took a sum out of
the annual budged for that university equal to the professor's salary.

Quite an awkward prediction, because of how badly it has predicted today's situation. Homosexuals have their rights, they are no longer put in prison for being born different. Children are also strongly protected and child pregnancies have been going down fast. Police raided various porn stores for illegal pornography sexualizing children in high profile raids in 00s. Also you can see on the street that younger people are becoming less promiscuous from say 80s, 90s and early 00s. Men get arrested regularly for contact with underage. Child rights have been getting better as homosexual rights have. What is the name of this professor?

 

[Thinking Homer]

I didn't read all the previous replies so apologies if I repeat any points. First of all, God's direct command to Adam and Eve was to "be fruitful and increase in number" (Genesis 1:28) so initially sex was given as a blessing to mankind. However the Bible is clear that sex was created for enjoyment between a man and a woman, and the Law of Moses set clear boundaries regarding this. It condemns bestiality, incest, homosexuality, rape and adultery (Leviticus chapter 18 and 20). What's interesting is that polygamy was never condemned in the Old Testament (Jacob the patriarch had 2 wives and 2 concubines), but as we move unto the New Testament, Paul instructs that a bishop should have only one wife (1 Timothy 3:2 NASB).

So why is God so concerned with our sexuality? Note that in Oriental religions like Hinduism and Buddhism, the body is merely seen as something one needs to detach from (through asceticism and devotion) to reach spiritual enlightenment. Celibacy is one part of this process, and one's sexual urges are meant to be controlled through sheer willpower. The body (prakriti) is seen as an 'anchor' which is preventing the soul from reaching moksha (liberation), thus the body and soul are seen as two separate entities that needs to be eventually separated.

However this is not the case with the Christian faith. St. Paul writes that it is better to not marry if one can help it, but if the sensual urges become too great, it is better to get married (1 Corinthians 7:9). Christians believe that the body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, and that committing a sexual sin (what i listed earlier) does harm to that temple (1 Corinthians 6:18-19). Also note that Christians believe that one day our souls will be reunited with our resurrected bodies (like Jesus), further emphasizing the importance of taking care of our earthly bodies (1 Corinthians 15:42).

Sex is a sacred act that God gave for a specific purpose, and it is meant to be used in Holy Matrimony between a wedded husband and a wife. Marriage is said to be an union of flesh (Genesis 2:24), and it is meant to reflect the holy relationship between God and humans, as the bridegroom and wife (Revelation 21:2).

 

[Altfish]

I didn't read all the previous replies so apologies if I repeat any points. First of all, God's direct command to Adam and Eve was to "be fruitful and increase in number" (Genesis 1:28) so initially sex was given as a blessing to mankind. However the Bible is clear that sex was created for enjoyment between a man and a woman, and the Law of Moses set clear boundaries regarding this. It condemns bestiality, incest, homosexuality, rape and adultery (Leviticus chapter 18 and 20). What's interesting is that polygamy was never condemned in the Old Testament (Jacob the patriarch had 2 wives and 2 concubines), but as we move unto the New Testament, Paul instructs that a bishop should have only one wife (1 Timothy 3:2 NASB).

So why is God so concerned with our sexuality? Note that in Oriental religions like Hinduism and Buddhism, the body is merely seen as something one needs to detach from (through asceticism and devotion) to reach spiritual enlightenment. Celibacy is one part of this process, and one's sexual urges are meant to be controlled through sheer willpower. The body (prakriti) is seen as an 'anchor' which is preventing the soul from reaching moksha (liberation), thus the body and soul are seen as two separate entities that needs to be eventually separated.

However this is not the case with the Christian faith. St. Paul writes that it is better to not marry if one can help it, but if the sensual urges become too great, it is better to get married (1 Corinthians 7:9). Christians believe that the body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, and that committing a sexual sin (what i listed earlier) does harm to that temple (1 Corinthians 6:18-19). Also note that Christians believe that one day our souls will be reunited with our resurrected bodies (like Jesus), further emphasizing the importance of taking care of our earthly bodies (1 Corinthians 15:42).

Sex is a sacred act that God gave for a specific purpose, and it is meant to be used in Holy Matrimony between a wedded husband and a wife. Marriage is said to be an union of flesh (Genesis 2:24), and it is meant to reflect the holy relationship between God and humans, as the bridegroom and wife (Revelation 21:2).

The problem is, when you start quoting the Old Testament and Leviticus in particular, you have set a precedent for other things that your god forbids. Like...

• Working on the Sabbath Exodus 31:14-15
• Tattoos Leviticus 19:28
• Children cursing their parents Exodus 21:17 (The punishment is death)
• Eating Shrimp, Lobster, And Other Assorted Seafood Leviticus 10-11

So best to ignore the Bible and think for oneself.

 

[PruePhillip]

Please refresh my memory. What exactly did they water down?

They watered down the law stating it was an offense to
possess a computer with child porn on it.
The new provision was that the state had to prove you
owned and accessed that porn. A lot harder case to
prove.

 

[PruePhillip]

The problem is, when you start quoting the Old Testament and Leviticus in particular, you have set a precedent for other things that your god forbids. Like...

• Working on the Sabbath Exodus 31:14-15
• Tattoos Leviticus 19:28
• Children cursing their parents Exodus 21:17 (The punishment is death)
• Eating Shrimp, Lobster, And Other Assorted Seafood Leviticus 10-11

So best to ignore the Bible and think for oneself.

Christians don't live under the law of the Old Testament.
And yes, people ARE thinking more for themselves. It
has been pointed out that the only place left in America where
people will obey the rules without question is on a airplane.

 

[Altfish]

Christians don't live under the law of the Old Testament.

Then the likes of #Thinking Homer should not quote it to justify his/her beliefs.

 

[PruePhillip]

Quite an awkward prediction, because of how badly it has predicted today's situation. Homosexuals have their rights, they are no longer put in prison for being born different. Children are also strongly protected and child pregnancies have been going down fast. Police raided various porn stores for illegal pornography sexualizing children in high profile raids in 00s. Also you can see on the street that younger people are becoming less promiscuous from say 80s, 90s and early 00s. Men get arrested regularly for contact with underage. Child rights have been getting better as homosexual rights have. What is the name of this professor?

Child porn is a huge and growing problem. You are not going to
even slow it down. It's doubling what, every five years?
Even the churches no longer make a fuss over the sexualization
of children like they used to (just harmless fun, they think.)
Hollywood actresses I understand continue to get younger. So
too do the sex scenes.
And can't a grown man marry two 12 year olds for a weekend
if they are pubescent? Is that "pederasty" and not "pedophilia"?
Remember - social engineering starts with language engineering.
And all sex taboos are to be challenged.

 

[oldbadger]

I just don't see it as reason enough for god to ALSO declare it an abominable sin that will keep them out of

Heaven? The Laws of Moses mentioned Heaven?
Look at it this way........ ANY cross sexual coupling that could weaken, reduce or wipe out the Israelites was considered to be very serious.

Thing is, If I was god and worried enough about the consequential diseases that could occur from homosexual relations that I felt it necessary to scare people from sharing their mutual affection, I'd simply eradicate the diseases. But maybe the Christian god just hasn't seen the light.

But you ain't......... you know.....god.
And the Israelite God was really keen on his people GROWING in numbers, getting stronger, more powerful, more successful....... and so I guess he wanted folks to couple up and have kids........ = bigger nation?

I can't answer for the trouble that Paul caused, many years later........ that man had no clue about why the old laws were written either......... ranted on about morals or something. Don't blame the Laws of Moses, just blame an unmarried man with a thorn in his side about sex who couldn't stop ranting about it all. He should have taken his cue from Jesus..... really.

 

[PruePhillip]

Heaven? The Laws of Moses mentioned Heaven?
Look at it this way........ ANY cross sexual coupling that could weaken, reduce or wipe out the Israelites was considered to be very serious.


But you ain't......... you know.....god.
And the Israelite God was really keen on his people GROWING in numbers, getting stronger, more powerful, more successful....... and so I guess he wanted folks to couple up and have kids........ = bigger nation?

I can't answer for the trouble that Paul caused, many years later........ that man had no clue about why the old laws were written either......... ranted on about morals or something. Don't blame the Laws of Moses, just blame an unmarried man with a thorn in his side about sex who couldn't stop ranting about it all. He should have taken his cue from Jesus..... really.

Jesus in the Gospels, or Jesus in Revelation's message to the seven churches?

 

[Thinking Homer]

The problem is, when you start quoting the Old Testament and Leviticus in particular, you have set a precedent for other things that your god forbids. Like...

• Working on the Sabbath Exodus 31:14-15
• Tattoos Leviticus 19:28
• Children cursing their parents Exodus 21:17 (The punishment is death)
• Eating Shrimp, Lobster, And Other Assorted Seafood Leviticus 10-11

So best to ignore the Bible and think for oneself.

In Hebrews 8:13, it says that the Old Covenant (Law of Moses) has been made obsolete with the coming of Christ. This is to say that Christians no longer need to follow the 613 rules in the Torah in order to attain salvation. But the Old Testament still serves as a valuable reference in understanding God’s holy standard for us as human beings.

In fact in Jesus’ sermon on the Mount, he reiterates many of Moses’ laws and emphasizes the moral aspect behind each one, and not simply the action. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites for following the to-dos and don’ts as listed in the Law, but they neglected the more important matters such as taking care of the orphans and widows (Matthew 23:23).Jesus made a distinction between the man-made traditions and interpretation of the Laws of Moses, and the actual intent behind each one.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Laws of Moses can be divided into civil, ceremonial and moral laws. The civil laws were important during the Old Testament whilst the Jewish government and kings existed, but obviously it does not apply anymore. The ceremonial laws are no longer necessary for Christians since Christ acted as the final sacrificial lamb and is now acting as our High Priest (Hebrews 2:17). The moral laws are the ones that Jesus’ reiterates in his sermon (Matthew 5-7).

As for the above points:

Why Christians work on the Sabbath (John 5:17)

Why Christians do not stone people to death (John 8:7, Hebrews 8:12)

Why Christians do not follow the kosher diet (Acts 10:15)


My question to you is, if you do not affiliate yourself with any religion, how do you draw the line as to what is permissible and what is not when it comes to sex? If you have no rigid moral framework, there is no reason for you to say fornication, divorce or adultery is wrong. If everyone is left to their own devices to decide what is wrong or right, you fall into subjective moral reasoning, and anything you do can be justified or excused at a later stage.

 

[Altfish]

In Hebrews 8:13, it says that the Old Covenant (Law of Moses) has been made obsolete with the coming of Christ. This is to say that Christians no longer need to follow the 613 rules in the Torah in order to attain salvation. But the Old Testament still serves as a valuable reference in understanding God’s holy standard for us as human beings.

In fact in Jesus’ sermon on the Mount, he reiterates many of Moses’ laws and emphasizes the moral aspect behind each one, and not simply the action. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites for following the to-dos and don’ts as listed in the Law, but they neglected the more important matters such as taking care of the orphans and widows (Matthew 23:23).Jesus made a distinction between the man-made traditions and interpretation of the Laws of Moses, and the actual intent behind each one.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Laws of Moses can be divided into civil, ceremonial and moral laws. The civil laws were important during the Old Testament whilst the Jewish government and kings existed, but obviously it does not apply anymore. The ceremonial laws are no longer necessary for Christians since Christ acted as the final sacrificial lamb and is now acting as our High Priest (Hebrews 2:17). The moral laws are the ones that Jesus’ reiterates in his sermon (Matthew 5-7).

As for the above points:

Why Christians work on the Sabbath (John 5:17)

Why Christians do not stone people to death (John 8:7, Hebrews 8:12)

Why Christians do not follow the kosher diet (Acts 10:15)


My question to you is, if you do not affiliate yourself with any religion, how do you draw the line as to what is permissible and what is not when it comes to sex? If you have no rigid moral framework, there is no reason for you to say fornication, divorce or adultery is wrong. If everyone is left to their own devices to decide what is wrong or right, you fall into subjective moral reasoning, and anything you do can be justified or excused at a later stage.

It does seem very much like choosing what suits the believer.
So, why not issue a revised version of the Bible that doesn't contradict itself.

 

[Thinking Homer]

It does seem very much like choosing what suits the believer.
So, why not issue a revised version of the Bible that doesn't contradict itself.

I guess it would seem that way to someone who is not Christian/Jewish. There are a lot of contradictory statements at a glance, but if you study the Bible thoroughly it is a pretty consistent doctrine. The coming of the new covenant and abolishing of the old covenant was already prophesized in Jeremiah 31, Exodus 31, Ezekiel 36; all books from the Old Testament.

Btw you still haven't answered my question...

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Weak people should not breed more weak people.

What if I told you that, based on both our interaction on this site and posts I have read of yours in various threads, I might seriously contemplate (within my opinion on the matter) lumping you into the category "weak people?" The difference between us being that I would always continue to recognize that such could be only my opinion, and that "weak people" may be something different for just about everyone - if a person entertains such a concept at all. You, on the other hand, seem (by this comment) to feel that there is some objective reason to consider people "weak." Can you enlighten me as to where you came by such knowledge?

 

[Altfish]

Btw you still haven't answered my question...

Which question, it was an omission on my part, probably missed it whilst away from the board being a normal person.
Point me where and I'll answer it.

 

[blü 2]

They watered down the law stating it was an offense to
possess a computer with child porn on it.
The new provision was that the state had to prove you
owned and accessed that porn. A lot harder case to
prove.

Thanks for the clarification. I wholeheartedly agree that's very poor thinking.

 

[PruePhillip]

It does seem very much like choosing what suits the believer.
So, why not issue a revised version of the Bible that doesn't contradict itself.

You in effect would be adding and taking from the bible. One of the things
which gives the bible cred' (esp the New Testament) is that there is no evidence
of church tampering with the original documents. It can be argued there are
lots of things which the Catholic Church doesn't like (ie the whore which sits
on seven hills etc..) but these documents are much older than the Catholic
Church as we know it today, and they were respected for their authorship -
apparent "contradictions" and all.

 

[robocop (actually)]

So I then have to conclude that those who don't have a healthy regard for a religion; the non-church goer, the agnostic, and the atheist are having sex however they please, have larger families, and are under more strife. That about it? Now, because of the guilt laid on members of religions I do believe the non-religious are likely to have more varied sex, but what's wrong with that? If there is something wrong with it you'll have to present your evidence. As for more strife among the non-religious, you would have to present this evidence as well. As for the non-religious having larger families, this just doesn't seem to be the case at all. Note in the chart below that the unaffiliated have on average 1.7 children per family (agnostics and atheists averaging only 1.45. [35% less than Christians]), whereas Christians have 2.2 children. So, if anything the religious are having considerably larger families than the non-religious.

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So your insight doesn't appear to be sound at all. In fact, I think the non-religious are coming out ahead of the faithful in your three selected arenas of comparison here.

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No way! That's not what I'm saying at all. Please reread my post. These things are intuitive to everyone but religions are trying to promote the values.

As for the fertility rate, people do keep things under control. I'm saying if they had unbridled sex things wouldn't be under control.

 

[Altfish]

You in effect would be adding and taking from the bible. One of the things
which gives the bible (esp the New Testament) is that there is no evidence
of church tampering with the original documents. It can be argued there are
lots of things which the Catholic Church doesn't like (ie the whore which sits
on seven hills etc..) but these documents are much older than the Catholic
Church as we know it today, and they were respected for their authorship -
apparent "contradictions" and all.

I didn't advocate destroying all old versions. They can remain, but introduce a new version without contradictions, decrying slavery, saying homosexuality's ok, stoning children for joking isn't good, etc., etc.