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Featured Why does God care about some mammal species floating around in the middle of nowhere?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Jos, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. TagliatelliMonster

    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    No. I accept it, based on all the evidence.

    Did you know, btw, that just like tiktaalik, several whale ancestors were found by prediction?
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    How about: to find out if it's actually true or not?

    :rolleyes:

    Unless off course, you don't care about holding inaccurate beliefs...
    If accuracy and justifiability of beliefs is important to you, then you'll want to be able to verify claims one way or the other.

    I'ld think that the ones who are claiming that such a creation happened, would be able to answer that question.
    If they can't, then I'ld have to wonder why they are even making the claim in the first place....

    It's a claim about something that happened. Are you saying it's impossible to find out if it actually happened or not?

    If that is what you are saying, then why is the claim even being made in the first place? How did one come to that conclusion, if it's impossible to find out anything about it? Wouldn't that necessarily have to mean that the claim is pulled out of thin air instead of being concluded from specific data?

    Accepting claims are true when those claims are impossible to verify, is irrational.

    That's pretty much what "irrational" means. To believe things for no good reason.
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    But that's not what you are doing. You aren't constructing subjective meanings that only exist in your head. You are instead making claims about external reality. About objective reality. About how things have come into existance. About supernatural things that exist outside of human brains, in actual reality.

    No, you are. You are making claims about the supernatural, about god, etc.

    Meaning does not. Claims about reality do.
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    In other words, you have no clue what you are talking about and are just inventing everything out of your brain.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Why believe in existence itself?
     
  6. TagliatelliMonster

    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    What does that even mean?
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    You’ve managed to misunderstand everything I’ve said.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Wrong.
    Bingo! Thank you.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    That’s not what I said. Theology as a discipline involves more than just “making stuff up.”
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I understand God as existence, itself. That’s how I make meaning of existence.
     
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    You just must Widen your view. The fact that God created us, gave us a wonderful world, then teaching us and guiding us to greatness proves God cares about us.

    Could there be any other reason God cares? Every parent knows this answer. We love our children simply because they are ours.
     
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    Clearly, Religion has corrupted your view. We are all God's children along with all those species mankind's Ego tells them they are not.

    Given enough time and lessons, everyone is going to make it. Why? It is the only Intelligent thing to do.
     
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    Then perhaps you should be clearer.
     
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    It actually doesn't.

    Theology plays out entirely in a theologian's brain.
    Theology is not a study of the external world.
     
  15. TagliatelliMonster

    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    What does that mean?
     
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    Sorry, but if I make a puppet out of wood, that puppet is not my child. God made man out of mud and gave him the potential to become His children. Other animals do not have that potential.
     
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    Ouroboros Coincidentia oppositorum
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    Because our planet is a soul farm... It eats souls. :D
     
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    I think you named yourself well:lostwanderingsoul.

    As I see it, religion has corrupted your view. You are living in their box of beliefs. Perhaps. a peek out of the box into reality might show you that reality is better. Creation has never been making mud pie puppets. Stories might be entertaining but never add up like reality.
     
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    It doesn't make sense to me, and millions of other people, because we don't kill just to survive, or to defend territory, or because of some instinct. Otherwise every one would.
    So that kind of reasoning seems to me, another excuse of man, conjured up to address the question of why there is suffering, and his refusal to investigate any answer that is related to a divine creator.
    That answer makes more sense.
    When we don't understand the actions of another, the more sensible answer, is not what we assume, but the one we get, when we ask them- even if we don't agree that their actions were sensible.

    Whatever the reason, matters not, from my perspective. They chose not to be rescued.
    Whether I believe something or not, has nothing to do with the reality of it.
    It seems to me, what you might be doing here, is assuming that enough hasn't been shown.
    I do not agree. Rather, I believe, some people are like spoiled children - meaning those that want to have their own way.
    For example, mom or dad, is helping their child to understand how to work out an equation. The child on the other hand, just wants the answer. So rather than try to understand and work with the parent, they get miserable, and try to demand the parent do it their way - just give them the answer.

    The way God has chosen to sift the good from the bad, is brilliant, imo.
    Those with the right heart will find God Acts 17:27; Deuteronomy 4:29; Isaiah 55:6; 1 Chronicles 28:9, and, as Deeje pointed out, be drawn by God. John 6:44; Psalm 145:18; James 4:8

    I like how Jesus put it, at Matthew 13:11-16. Absolutely brilliant!
    Just an illustration...
    Imagine if you were a king, and you wanted to choose a multitude of attendants whom you could trust - men whose heart were complete toward you. Men you can be confident would not plot and carry out an assassination on your life.
    You would have to find an ingenious plan for selecting the right men for this position.
    What brilliant plan will you come up with?

    To me, God's is perfect.
    He is creating a world, in which only righteousness will dwell.
    So at the end of the day, only people of right heart, will be drawn to him - humble, honest, and hungering for truth, and righteousness.
    All three of these must be present in a person.
    Once they are, God will draw them to his son, and draw close to them.

    ...according to my understanding of the Bible. :innocent:

    "Understanding spirituality is different from choosing to do evil"
    They may be two different things, but the principles are not different, imo.
    Would you mind explaining the difference please. How is one "extremely difficult for fallible humans to do while the other isn't difficult to do and isn't impeded by fallibility"?

    Why did you see the need to mention it? Were you not making a point?

    Okay.
     
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    I seem to recall, you were the one that said this...
    To have equal quality evidence of god, one would have to be able to observe god doing his work.

    I am only pointing out the need for you to fairly apply the same reasoning to yourself .
    So when did you see whales evolve from four footed creatures?

    It does not matter to me how you choose to interpret evidence. Every person interprets evidence, and those interpretations are different.
    If you doubt me, just ask any scientist, since your faith seems to be built on their opinions. :)
     
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