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Why does God allow tragedies?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by groovydancer88, Mar 10, 2005.

  1. cardero

    cardero Citizen Mod

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    From the time that these Bible scriptures were written coupled with the recognition of all the natural disasters that have happened in the past to the present, I am to assume that GOD has come and gone several times throughout our history.
     
  2. precept

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  3. cardero

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    I apologize, I was not aware that GOD had a death quota to fill.

    Another question, do I get a lighter sentence if I turn myself in (suicide) or should I just wait till a natural disaster strikes?
     
  4. precept

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    "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, Not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance"

    "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, aand the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." 2 Peter 3:9-10

    "Then shall He say also to them on the left hand , Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared foir the devil and his angels". Matthew 25:41.



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  5. groovydancer88

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    Ooops! Guess I wasn't clear at all in what I originally said... I should've seperated "I agree mr. c" and "God chooses when we die" into two different clauses... I meant that I agreed to your original statement that death is simply a truth in life.

    You have a very interesting theory, but I'm not quite sure I completely understand it. You say it is our choice when we die, and although this certainly appears to be true on many occasions (like if someone choses to commit suicide, for example), but I don't see how this is always true - for example, if a person lives a perfectly healthy life, and out of nowhere gets a heart attack and dies. How is that his/her choice?
     
  6. Majikthise

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    Alot of discussion about natural disasters.What about a class full of young children gunned down by a madman?
     
  7. groovydancer88

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    I asked about natural disasters because a death such as the one you mentioned is the result of a choice made by a human - the madman, in this case - thanks to that wonderful thing free will :). A natural disaster is a result of science, which (I believe) God has control over, and therefore could choose to put a halt to it.
     
  8. cardero

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    Groovydancer88, stay tuned, I am going to see if I can raise this courageously in another thread.
     
  9. Majikthise

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    I do see your point:) .

    But god is supposedly omnipotent.Human phsycology is science and even we humans can alter others behavior significantly.We cannot ,however , control the weather or geologic phenomema to any significant extent.So we can do what god can't,and god can do what we can't? Maybe god could send down some heavenly prozac? A madman is not acting out of free will, he is reacting to emotional or chemical imbalances in his own brain.Lets just say that if there was a god, he could do alot more than he has.
     
  10. groovydancer88

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    A very good point. I hadn't thought of that before.
     
  11. Quoth The Raven

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    I think it's just one of those things. My 10 year old son, however, has decided that if there were actually a God, things like that wouldn't happen, so he's gone and declared himself an atheist. His point of veiw seems to be that God has never done anything to personally prove to him that he exists, and if there was really a god then the Boxing Day tsunami just wouldn't have happened.
    Someone needs to let the big fella know that natural disasters don't necessarily win friends and influence people.
     
  12. michel

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    That's quite a healthy attitude for a ten year old; it proves he's not 'easily taken in' - let's see what happens in the next fifteen years!:)
     
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    I'm guessing they meant,
    Without sadness, we can't experience happiness. We have to experience opposites to live and feel.
     
  15. Brickjectivity

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    Overall the earth is a good opportunity, but sometimes really bad luck happens to people, and nothing can be done. There are illnesses that aren't even understood which gradually take away a person's ability to reason with the suffering imposed. Yes, you can get an illness that keeps you from coping with illness, such as what my mom had. She gradually lost her ability to reason as her body withered painfully, and her muscles contracted fitfully over many years.

    That being said what I agree with is we have to feel pain to be alive. We have the gift of observing all of the wonder in the universe, but that comes at the price of suffering. I don't think we need it to be happy, but I think people who are always happy and never sad are not truly alive. That doesn't take away from the horror of a lot of the pointless suffering I've seen. I think there is just some very bad luck at work sometimes.
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  16. HekaMa'atRa

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    The world and the universe is naturally chaotic. Tsunamis, earthquakes, and volcanoes etc are necessary components to our functioning planet. What matters the most is how we react to them.
     
  17. Guy Threepwood

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    True, earthquakes, meteors, volcanoes used to be arguments for atheism as evidence of 'bad design' and 'pointless destruction' .. before we knew they were essential to this life on Earth.
    There will always be things we can point to that we don't understand, as 'bad design', which science has not yet illuminated, atheism of the gaps..
     
  18. HekaMa'atRa

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    Really? How unscientific of them! :)
     
  19. Jumi

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    Can you cite where you read about these as arguments for atheism? I find it funny, even though I never heard of this before. I think there's enough argument for atheism in there not being any evidence for gods.
     
  20. viole

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    Therefore, you will have sadness in Heaven too (and we happiness in Hell). Correct?

    Ciao

    - viole
     
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