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Why does Christ's death atone for my sin?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by oracle, Jan 9, 2005.

  1. oracle

    oracle Active Member

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    I just want to see if anyone, and who if anyone, can come up with a logical answer. Why does Jesus's death on the cross atone for my sin, and the sin of every human being? It's not to debate anything, i just want to see people's knowledge of the subject.
     
  2. fragmentsofdreams

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    Honestly, I haven't figured out the perfect answer yet.

    Part of it was to give us an example to emulate. Christ was put through torment and was still able to forgive those who caused his suffering.

    His death would be necessary to reveal the Resurrection. I suppose that it would really beat into the Apostle's heads that Jesus was not a political Messaiah.
     
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  3. oracle

    oracle Active Member

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    I would say this is closest to the truth from my perspective. Nice input.
     
  4. chuck010342

    chuck010342 Active Member

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    Because there can be no forgiveness of Sin without the shedding of blood
     
  5. oracle

    oracle Active Member

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    Why is that so?
     
  6. chuck010342

    chuck010342 Active Member

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    Two reasons

    1. because God said so

    2. God loves us even thou we disobey him (sin is disobeying God) so Instead of God punishing us something is substituted.
     
  7. oracle

    oracle Active Member

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    So why does Christ's death substitute the punishment of all our sins? And please do not say because God said so.
     
  8. SoulTYPE

    SoulTYPE Well-Known Member

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    Please tell me where and when he said this..

    So like bad karma you mean?

    HHH owns..
     
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    retrorich SUPER NOT-A-MOD

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    So if you want to forgive someone, you have to kill someone? :eek:
     
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    As noted elsewhere:
    Such a view might explain why, for example, a cult might eventualy redact the political execution of their cult leader in messianic terms.
     
  11. Fluffy

    Fluffy A fool

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    Kinda ironic that to get rid of sin, a sin needs to be commited. Perhaps it is the only way in order to get the majority of people to be sin free. This death is undoubtedly a tragedy and is made moreso when it is viewed as a sacrifice on God's part for every person individually. Maybe this was intentional so that it appealed to everyones sense of sympathy and guilt with the hope that a strong combination of these 2 emotions would make people not sin anymore.
     
  12. Faust

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    I posted a thread some time ago that went something like this.

    Why would God send God to be sacrificed to God in order to appease God so that God could forgive man (Gods creation)for being imperfect.
    I think that you need to explore the reasons for sacrifice in order to come up with an answer that makes sense.
    In this case the desired outcome is entrance to heaven,the abode of God and the heavenly hosts. Since God exists in a different realm (outside of time) from man the problem seems to be transformative.
    In short the magnitude of man being admitted to this other realm requires a sacrifice of some magnitude. The price of admission here seems to be the sacrifice of a God.
    Faust.
     
  13. fragmentsofdreams

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    In Judaism before the destruction of the Second Temple, asking forgiveness from God involved sacrificing an animal.
     
  14. may

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    The blood of Jesus [God’s] Son cleanses us from all sin." (Romans 5:9; 1 John 1:7) So an important reason why Jesus came to earth was to die for us. He said: "The Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul [or, life] a ransom in exchange for many." (Matthew 20:28) But what does it mean that Christ gave his life "a ransom"? Why was the pouring out of his lifeblood in death necessary for our salvation?
    HE​
    GAVE HIS LIFE A RANSOM

    The word "ransom" is often used when there is a kidnapping. After a kidnapper captures a person, he may say he will return the person if a certain amount of money is paid as a ransom. So a ransom is something that brings the deliverance of a person held captive. It is something that is paid so that he does not lose his life. Jesus’ perfect human life was given to obtain mankind’s release from bondage to sin and death. (1 Peter 1:18, 19; Ephesians 1:7) Why was such a release needed?
    This was because Adam, the forefather of all of us, had rebelled against God. His lawless act thus made him a sinner, since the Bible explains that "sin is lawlessness." (1 John 3:4; 5:17) As a result, he was not worthy of receiving God’s gift of everlasting life. (Romans 6:23) So Adam lost for himself perfect human life on a paradise earth. He also lost this wonderful prospect for all the children he would produce. ‘But why,’ you may ask, ‘did all his children have to die, since it was Adam who sinned?’
    This is because Adam, when he became a sinner, passed sin and death on to his children, including all humans now living. (Job 14:4; Romans 5:12) "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," the Bible says. (Romans 3:23; 1 Kings 8:46) People, therefore, have been dying because of the sin that was inherited from Adam. How was it possible, then, for the sacrifice of Jesus’ life to free all people from bondage to sin and death?
    By his disobedience the perfect man Adam lost perfect life on a paradise earth for himself and all his children. Jesus Christ gave his own perfect life to buy back what Adam lost. Yes, Jesus "gave himself a corresponding ransom for all." (1 Timothy 2:5, 6) Because he was a perfect man, even as Adam had been, Jesus is called "the last Adam." (1 Corinthians 15:45) No human other than Jesus could have provided the ransom. This is because Jesus is the only man who ever lived that was equal to Adam as a perfect human son of God.—Psalm 49:7; Luke 1:32; 3:38.
    Jesus died at 33 1/2 years of age. But on the third day after his death he was resurrected to life. Forty days later he returned to heaven. (Acts 1:3, 9-11) There, as a spirit person once more, he appeared "before the person of God for us," carrying the value of his ransom sacrifice. (Hebrews 9:12, 24) At that time the ransom was paid to God in heaven. Deliverance was now available for humankind. But when will its benefits be realized?
    1Even now Jesus’ ransom sacrifice can benefit us. How? By exercising faith in it we can enjoy a clean standing before God and come under his loving and tender care. (Revelation 7:9, 10, 13-15) Many of us may have committed terrible sins before we learned about God. And even now we make mistakes, sometimes very serious ones. But we can freely seek forgiveness from God on the basis of the ransom, with confidence that he will hear us. (1 John 2:1, 2; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11) Also, in the days ahead, the ransom will open up for us the way to receive God’s gift of everlasting life in his righteous new world. (2 Peter 3:13) At that time all those exercising faith in the ransom will be released completely from bondage to sin and death. They may look forward to life forever in perfection!


     
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  15. Melody

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    Because of Adam and Eve's sin, every human since is born with a sinful nature. Throughout the OT sacrifices were offered to God, but the sacrifice had to be pure and unblemished.

    "You shall not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep which has a blemish or any defect, for that is a detestable thing to the Lord your God"
    Deut. 17:1

    He was the perfect sacrifice, pure and unblemished. He had not sinned, nor did he have a sinful nature.

    "And He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."
    1 Peter 1:24

    From his death, sacrifices were no longer necessary for reparation because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice.

    "who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins, and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once and for all when He offered up Himself."
    Heb. 7:27

    That's the short answer.
    Melody
     
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    Scott1 Well-Known Member

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    I've maxxed out my frubals for the day, so..... great posts May and Melody!:jiggy:
     
  17. oracle

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    So If Jesus's death cleanses all sin, why are we still being judged by God for our sins in the book of Revelations? If cleansing means to take away, why are we still held accountable for our sins at the end of time?
    Or why does Paul emphasize that people should not sin if Christ's death washes it all away?
    Why does Jesus repeatingly say "sin no more"?

    REV 7:14 [font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.[/font]

     
  18. standing_on_one_foot

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    Because the point wasn't to give you a "get out of jail free" card, the point was to allow people to be saved from Hell despite being flawed. You can't be a Christian just so you can do whatever you want without having to worry about consequences. That's really not the point.
     
  19. standing_on_one_foot

    standing_on_one_foot Well-Known Member

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    Dunno, you'd be better of asking a Christian. From what I understand, accepting Christ as the Messiah and being honestly sorry about what you've done is how you get the Christ's death washing away your sins, otherwise you're still stuck with it. You have to ask for the forgiveness before you get it, is the impression I get. Christians, a little help answering?
     
  20. oracle

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    Could a moderator delete this single post?
     
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