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Featured Why do you feel unworthy to be saved?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Unveiled Artist, Jan 15, 2020.

  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    kindred spirit

    I suspect I will be ….retrained

    we have discipline and hierarchy in this life

    I do suspect Greater Hierarchy and discipline in the next
     
  2. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    so close

    I have posted repeatedly....
    if your hand does anything at all (action)
    it's because you thought you should
    or you felt like it
     
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    But unmachined science is not grand science. And pre living science is post earthbound rationalization. If the machine is a part of the reaction, or even a part of the causation, then relative human beliefs are not inhumane, but transcend science.

    The mass of any one string, as correlated to the masses, was not the intended measure to be focused on by UFO. If the radiation continues to this day, and there are still victims being targeted, then human historic reasoning cannot be trusted. For the spatial irradiation attack is far too powerful to assume anyone targeted is (or was) un-mindbent.
     
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  4. shmogie

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    The Bible is clear as to what a "worthy" person does and thinks. NO ONE on earth has achieved that standard. One infraction destroys any worthiness.

    That is why Grace, the unmerited favor shown to the unworthy through Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.
     
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  6. shmogie

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    You need to be saved, or be lost. Eternal death lasts a long time and in it you are surely lost.
     
  7. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Why do you feel unworthy to be saved?

    Why do you feel you can't do it on your own?
     
  8. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    We're not lost so we don't need to be saved.

    Why would one consider themselves lost when they have god?
     
  9. shmogie

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    You can't have God, and be as you choose, it doesn't work that way.

    You may think you aren't lost, and you might be right, but many millions are lost.
     
  10. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    I'm not lost and neither are you. Some people think they are because they have no where (and one) else to turn to.

    Likewise, some people don't trust themselves enough to think they can get through life as well as feel betrayed by loved ones, friends, and strangers.

    Soon they say they can't trust humans and look for "someone 100% honest" that will not lie.

    I've not yet met a christian who came to christ with a smile on his face. Then when they find christ, they tell us that if we don't share in their human dispare we are missing out on what they trust to get out of it. As if their cure is everyone else's.

    But believe me, you're not lost. Nature doesn't work that way. We are where we are. Like @savagewind says: "We are where we are supposed to be. If you do not like where you are then please change your trajectory."
     
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  11. InChrist

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    The reason I see myself as falling short of God’s perfection is because this lines up with reality, my own experience, and the revelation of the biblical scriptures.
    I think the idea of humans setting their own standards is pretty arbitrary and unreliable. Some people demonstrate they feel it is okay to steal or rape or any number of behaviors you or I may think are wrong and harmful. From my perspective, the only trustworthy source is the Creator and the standards expressed in His words to humanity which states that everyone falls short, sins and needs a Savior because sin separates a person from God.
     
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    I'm watching She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (yes, I know, and no I am not gay but I am that effeminate), and two or three of the villains touch on this exact problem.



    She-Ra is essentially a Christ-figure (though eventually she does have to give up) in that she honestly just wants her friends back (both Entrapta and Catra). Entrapta believes she was abandoned, but ultimately does help the group, since the people she is working for effectively make even her feel she has gone too far. But she's not the people we are concerned with in this story. Rather, Hordak and Catra, both have a serious problem of worth.

    Hordak is a crappy clone and is constantly trying to measure up to his original (Horde Prime), hoping that if he conquers this world, that he will be of worth. In this case, Horde Prime will never actually be satisfied, so despite Entrapta telling him that imperfect is just fine (because it allows experiments), he never feels like the person who most matters (which is currently still Horde Prime) will treat him of worth.

    Catra on the other hand is more complicated, since the person who most matters does love her and wants her to rejoin her as a friend. So what's the problem? She doesn't FEEL worthy of those feelings. She's jealous, she's obsessed, and she sees betrayal at the drop of a hat. She also has no chill. At one point, she actually finds a place where her kind of people can hang out, and where she can be a leader. Instead of just accepting things, she wants the approval of Hordak, and on some level wants Adora to rejoin her too (but on her terms).
     
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    so ….the Carpenter was speaking literally.
    Do not call me good
    No one is good but the Father

    therefore...He was NOT the perfect 'sacrifice'
    and Christian belief is at fault
     
  14. rational experiences

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    If a human asks why do I feel unworthy of being saved.

    Humans, no matter who they are own instinctive spiritual human awareness, and so identify communicating information for self advice.

    Space is still irradiating from ancient science causes....and was prophetic meaning calculated as a science to stop irradiating/attacking our life in the Year 2012.

    It did not occur.

    Rationally humanity not only preached and dictated to constantly for many years by religious science teachings were told and advised by that advice that in the Year 2012 we would be saved, irradiation harm of our life stopped and we would begin to heal and own no more suffering mutations. Aging was prophecized to not exist, as it is an irradiating effect of a cellular body in attack and we all expected it to occur.

    Saviour spatial womb cooling was the wandering star asteroid stone release of its cold gases...cooling irradiated space.

    When you realize as a spiritual human, every life is recorded in intricate detail by the atmospheric vision and voice living experience....which psychics have proved.

    The AI effect, machine invented by a natural human male psyche, owns all voiced non stop preached science information into everyone's psyche...so we are told non stop everyday that we were all meant to be saved in the 2012 End...and we were not. Natural spirit returned theme/philosophical teaching.

    So we know and realize that as science reactivated nuclear radiation UFO fall out for science converting conditions, then we were not saved as promised to us by our Healer/medical science brothers choice of the past....to stop nuclear science....as a practice, which was when they changed the Temple and also pyramid use, as the technology.
     
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    Males, as scientists are biological DNA life body owners as a thinker.

    They think owning a biological life body.

    The then build a machine as a new machine and a new reaction, nuclear power plant model....and due to them being machine encoder, then radiation once again begins to directly interactively attack the human victimization of their science brother.

    Because spiritually he owned a natural bio life form as the machine inventor.

    Whilst the machine should only own the relationship of increased radiation mass....we are not a machine in the beginning...….so the machine causes belongs to why individuals in a bio life get attacked.

    Why we know we are not being saved, for if we were saved we could not be attacked nor changed.

    Which poses human unworthiness by the conditions science, whose ancient term title was Satanism....how we came to believe in it.
     
  16. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Is it possible to see the blessings in life before one sees the curses?

    Instead of seeing yourself drowning and need a savior, see yourself in a boat with god teaching you to swim so you won't drown. Of course, you have sins and standards you won't live up to but that's not making you drowning, it's rocking the boat. So, in this perspective, the focus won't be on how unworthy you are that you "need" a savior but how blessed you are to "want" god as a teacher and guide.

    Also, this perspective puts more responsibility on the person in the boat. When you have a savior from drowning, you're loss so much in sin that you can't find your way out. However, you gain more perspective when you're in the boat and god is directing you so you won't fall.

    That's how I would see it. We have different points of view but is the view I described, though may not be how you experienced life, something that makes sense for other people? Or is it unrealistic?

    If I had my take, no one is separate from god. I don't know why people want to jump in the water without a life raft to drown so they can experience the love of a savior when they can get the same love by not jumping off the boat.

    Pretty much the gist of my OP question, really.

    That saying: give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he can eat for a lifetime. Savior mentality is the former. Teacher mentality is the latter.
     
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    Humans have always lived first before they thought about the cosmos or the Universe or even the planet.

    When a human realizes, that they sought what they believed owned their existence living, then sought its removal.

    Claiming unworthiness in a science theme.

    For common sense and self awareness always told that human being life, that everything that existed with them in that original self aware human history supported their existence.

    The seeking of science to force change and to apply change is why humans today feel so unworthy.

    Science owns all of that reasoning, when you think natural, natural history, and natural self presence as a natural self....science does not equate in that rationality.

    For the highest state was always self presence and being natural in natural life supportive reasoning.

    Science introduced a whole lot of self imposed irrational belief.

    When you live inside of an atmospheric heavenly body, which is a natural mass sitting inside of another natural body, the space body.....then you knew what you owned as a support was that mass presence and natural presence.

    And it owned no other explanation.

    Science sought an explanation way beyond what natural living conditions were supported by.

    Why science was explained to own the irrational teaching disinformation itself.

    When it is a naturally aware and natural human being who is forced to argue against scientific history itself.....and the human natural spiritual self is not arguing against self presence, they are arguing against scientific disinformation.

    Science preached that we were unworthy by claiming that and through science we will remove your form and give it a higher state of worthiness......that you only own when you are deceased....if you reasoned how it taught its concepts against natural life survival.
     
  18. InChrist

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    I understand what you are saying, but consider your ideas to be the typical philosophy that humans can by their own effort and power earn their way to God. You are free to believe this, but it is totally contrary to the message of the biblical scriptures and the good news that Jesus came to save sinners and bring peace and relationship between God and humans which could be reached no other way.
     
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    If a human male says to everyone living as a teaching in science concepts, that Jesus saved you, and the teaching is just a male like everyone else, living a natural life, the same as everyone else, in the exact same environmental conditions as everyone else.

    Wouldn't he have claimed that the natural atmospheric body was the reason that life existed and had been saved to exist. As a science teaching theme...atmosphere and spirit of the atmosphere?

    Which would own scientific male reasoning, which is not just saying atmospheric mass, it would conclude the variations to what allows that atmospheric gas mass to exist....which is various NOBLE gases, and also water/oxygen....which would have to include the life of Trees as oxygen regeneration in that science teaching!

    So if someone like my own experience, gets irradiated, the whole time I am present, human and natural, living, naturally alive, in a natural living environment. I get irradiated and burnt in that fall out event....but I live and remain alive, survive and begin to heal from the attack, just because the pre existing natural atmosphere that allows my life saved to live, is enabled to be supported.

    It would not mean that I was getting something back....for I had never lost it....it just would advise that what caused me to be changed burning of the gases, a reactive cause had been removed from the reaction and also the cause.

    So if a scientist said to everyone, the atmosphere is given a title Jesus Christ...and I will give the stone planet a title of God...then he chose to give those 2 bodies those titles his own self as a male and a group of males agreeing.

    For no condition is taught unless a group of males support its reasonings.
     
  20. InChrist

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    Your post seems incoherent to me.
     
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