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Featured Why do you feel unworthy to be saved?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Unveiled Artist, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:29 PM.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

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    >To those who Do believe in god, who believe they are unworthy of him, and to those who feel they can't be saved on their own, why do you feel unworthy to be saved?

    That, and do Bahai, Jews, and Muslims feel they are unworthy before god (which does Not include needing a savior)
     
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  2. savagewind

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    I think that a person who might feel unworthy cannot feel a belief in their hearts. It is my opinion that belief means worthiness.
     
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  3. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    I don't believe in 'saved' as a theological idea. No one needs to be saved because no one is lost. People do feel lost, but that's not actually being lost.
     
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  4. savagewind

    savagewind Veteran Member
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    We are where we are supposed to be. If you do not like where you are then please change your trajectory.
     
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  5. rational experiences

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    Doctrine imposes that if you own suffering then the sacrifice and holy spirit meant to save you, and did not save you proved that you were unworthy.

    Why I never believed in the Jesus sacrifice teachings, for when a little baby is born mutated, owned only by the act of human sex, and people still want to have that status preached to true innocence, I cried and cried and cried when I gained that realization.

    I was never unworthy, science the cause of all life harm is unworthy and evil.

    So I learnt to rationalize indoctrinated themes, as owned by the humans who applied it against us.

    Now I learnt in learning that teaching owned 2 methods, to try to rationalize the science cause to the humans who chose it against self humanity, our brothers and sisters...to the whole of humanity.

    And we all live naturally as a whole of humanity, so all got preached those teachings, when most of us were totally innocent, of those forms of occult science beliefs, statuses, wants, knowledge and practice and realization that some of our human family hate us so much that they infer unrealistic attacks on our innocent psyche.

    So I decided to try to teach against that history to bring spiritual consciousness to a place in human self realization about what teaching methods were used that were not as successful as the Healing medical society had hoped.

    When you are dealing with such a diverse science caused personality and mind irradiated life and body, it was not an easy ideal how to assist everyone.

    So as I do love my humanity, I learnt that even though some teachings seemed to be an evilly owned intention, not everything is as it seems....why sharing and discussing history was important.
     
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    Science does not own natural history, science activated its trajectory for one status only science and machine....and we were not pre living science, machine reaction or machine causation, which you seem to think is relative that one human owns one string as if science the machine owned it.....ever think about that unrealistic inhumane belief?

    For UFO came as mass and not as any string.....and if radiation still streams through to a victim, then it is just not shut off from ancient spatial irradiation attack...and owns no human historic reasoning for why it attacks their life.
     
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    That might take me a while to digest and I might or might not get back to it. OK?
     
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  8. Iymus

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    Hos 6:6 KJV For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

    Knowledge comes with power which comes with responsibility. With the knowledge I do have, I perceive myself to lack the needed sincerity and discipline.

    Jer 17:9 KJV The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

    But at same time

    1Co 10:13 KJV There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

    nothing further to add.
     
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    Males in science today own one male statement, I claim that all conditions relative to life is due to spatial cold radiation, our backdrop being changed.

    So I told self a story that says the radiation cold backdrop owned everything that exists today....as a meaning. It needs to be there for everything to exist.

    Why he told self that theme....not to be falsely thought upon to believe that cold radiation = a human being life for he would be lying.

    Yet it is what he said.

    The story Mother Abomination said, that Holy Mother spatial womb no longer existed, and scientific calculations told science that truth....so stopped all science converting.

    And said 2012 was when the Holy Mother cold spatial womb would have been returned, which would have allowed for the ICE amassed rebirth in December to be completed.

    For it had not been returning healthy baby life...and medical science saw that proof...for proof is lived, proof is not thought upon, it exists in relativity.

    Relativity, life of a newly born baby or animal, by wisdom of the ages only occurs in a stable nuclear space body...the journey of the Coat of many colours.

    How that science theme was taught.

    Actually Joseph, an adult was his own self and he died....Jesus was a newly formed baby and he died......relative answers.

    Space proved that it was still heated irradiating from ancient science attack...so science was forbidden the reason we live such personal loss.
     
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    picture yourself surrounded by God and His heaven

    yes you can

    oh oh
     
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    so then …..if Someone steps forward to speak on your behalf
    He might prove to be your Savior

    and it might NOT be a person you expect

    more likely to be.....someone one step better than you
    and somehow.....he got in the Door
     
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    God can only help you, one must save themselves from their own ignorance. Your own feelings are determined by your own actions.
     
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    so.....God has drawn a line
    and only you can find it?
     
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    Why do you feel your heart is deceitful and wicked to where you feel you need to be saved?

    Scripture doesn't speak for itself; so, how do you relate yourself to scripture rather than the other way around.
     
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    Then you would feel you're blessed not unworthy, right?
     
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    There is no other way. Though, by ending your own ignorant anger you find happiness itself, thus ending all inner conflict.
     
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    According to the scriptures every person falls short of God’s glory and standard of perfection, which makes one unworthy to be in God’s presence and brilliance. I think anyone who is honest would admit they fall short and do wrong things or don’t do things they should. This condition means everyone needs a Savior.
     
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    Why do you need to see yourself that way?

    We fall short by our own standards all the time but one who believes in God wouldn't need a savior. He wouldn't feel short if he were with god but those who feel they can't be with god, they feel they need a savior.

    Why put oneself on a deprave position to be saved?

    It sounds counter productive to human beings born without sin until we build our own criteria in which we punish ourselves when we break it.
     
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    As I stated before: With the knowledge I do have, I perceive myself to lack the needed sincerity and discipline.

    I see sincerity and discipline as how one saves oneself. Unaware of anything achieved in life without a level of sincerity and discipline.
     
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    I believe the peace of heaven is guarded
    and the angelic carry swords
     
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