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Why Do You Concern Yourself With the Beliefs of Others?

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
They're going to do what they want, regardless of what I say. I'm nobody and my opinion on it doesn't matter.

Nobody only has holidays off so that's irreverent.
So then what, exactly, is your gripe?

Sounds to me you are upset you "have" to work on a day you do not want to work and so someone is supposed to tell the company you work for they can not be open on the day you do not want to work because the company thinks you are nothing more than some sort of robot but it does not matter what you think because you are a nobody that the store has to have in order to remain open on the day you do not want to work.

Perhaps I am missing some part you forgot to include?
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
You've inspired me. The next time someone tries to make me listen to something they know I don't like(but think I might change my mind if I hear just one more song by X artist), I will share the gospel with them.

It seems like a fair trade.
I pity anyone that tries that kind of stunt with me. I'll share a Crumb. :)

 

Saint Frankenstein

Gone
Premium Member
So then what, exactly, is your gripe?

Sounds to me you are upset you "have" to work on a day you do not want to work and so someone is supposed to tell the company you work for they can not be open on the day you do not want to work because the company thinks you are nothing more than some sort of robot but it does not matter what you think because you are a nobody that the store has to have in order to remain open on the day you do not want to work.

Perhaps I am missing some part you forgot to include?
I have the right to express my opinions. I work for Kroger. Do you have any idea how huge that corporation is? Why ever would I be delusional enough to think that I could change their policies? I know what I would like to see, but it probably won't happen. This is a problem with the whole retail industry and how society treats the working class in general. For example, my mom worked at Macy's for much of her life. Many of her coworkers had heart attacks and strokes due to the strain of work. My mom's body broke down over time and she had to have multiple surgeries on her hands and legs, as well as a hip replacement, due to the damage that sort of work does to you over the decades. She couldn't even afford health insurance from her full time job. Now she's dead from cancer.

Yes, I think Sundays and holidays off would be a nice crumb to throw to us, but they do not care. If I don't get out of it somehow, I will end up like my mother. I'm already on my way with my body breaking down from injuries. I tore a ligament in my wrist when I first worked for Kroger, at 19, and they screwed me then. It is very hard to pull yourself out of working class poverty in the US, though.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
I have the right to express my opinions. I work for Kroger. Do you have any idea how huge that corporation is? Why ever would I be delusional enough to think that I could change their policies? I know what I would like to see, but it probably won't happen. This is a problem with the whole retail industry and how society treats the working class in general. For example, my mom worked at Macy's for much of her life. Many of her coworkers had heart attacks and strokes due to the strain of work. My mom's body broke down over time and she had to have multiple surgeries on her hands and legs, as well as a hip replacement, due to the damage that sort of work does to you over the decades. She couldn't even afford health insurance from her full time job. Now she's dead from cancer.

Yes, I think Sundays and holidays off would be a nice crumb to throw to us, but they do not care. If I don't get out of it somehow, I will end up like my mother. I'm already on my way with my body breaking down from injuries. I tore a ligament in my wrist when I first worked for Kroger, at 19, and they screwed me then. It is very hard to pull yourself out of working class poverty in the US, though.
Yes, I am familiar with Kroger.
The one closest to my home closed because they were over priced and lost out to the Walmart and Meijer.
The ones south of me sold out to a local grocery chain.

The Kroger stores in the town I grew up calling home also closed.
As did the ones in the town I called my vacation home.

Based on my experience with Kroger, you should seriously be looking for work elsewhere as they are going down the tubes.

My mother retired from Meijer.
She really liked working there.
She turned down manger positions left and right and they finally stopped asking her.
so yes, I am familiar with retail work.
And yes, I understand it is difficult to move out from under retail.
I did so by getting my CDL and when I got diagnosed with Crohn's disease I had to quit working OTR.
I busted my *** and got a job managing a mobile home park.
though to be fair, I mostly lucked into that job.
I held that job for damn near a decade before the owners moved out of state and hired a property overseer, someone to manage all the their property managers.
The first thing the new over seer did was fire everyone and start over.
I then went to working as a house cleaner for a local nursing home.
I ended up quitting that job to drive my mother-in-law to and from dialysis three days a week.
I did that for two and a half years when she passed back in october 2020.
Now with this COVID mess and my medical issues, I have not been outside the house any more than I have to be.
If I catch it it could be really really bad, with the diabetes, COPD, heart disease, Crohn's Disease, and being half a century old...
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Because workers are your slaves and should always be available at your beck and call, right? I'm guessing you're retired and so this isn't a concern for you? I see your sort of entitlement in many customers at work and it always disgusted me. Retail workers are human beings with lives of our own, not drones who exist to slave for self-absorbed snobs (not saying you are, but I see it all the time at work). Attitudes like yours are why retail workers are getting less and less time off and have to work longer hours. It's why "black Friday" has now bled over into Thanksgiving and stores are either not closing on Thanksgiving or are opening in the evenings when most people are generally enjoying time with loved ones or at least having the holiday off to do what they please. No, the customer is not always right and sometimes they can shove it. You don't have to shop around the clock and you'll live if your coffee shop isn't open at 10:59 in the morning.
Good grief!!! Slaves - how pathetic a reference that is.
I'm a socialist.
I'm not forcing anyone to work when they don't want to. I'm just suggesting that shops and cafes open at times to suit their customers. There is nothing stopping them closing when the demand is less - and giving the workers time off.
I am a great believer in max hours worked; so employ more people if the hours cannot be met by the existing staff.
I don't shop around the clock, but if shops are not open I use Amazon or the like; and what hours do the shop workers work there?
 

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
What confuses me most is when government offices(like DOT or courthouse) operate only during business hours...

How the heck are you supposed to deal with issues with them if they're only open when you're at work? Would be nice if they rotated hours to suit the general public, being as occasional dealing with them is required.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
This thread was inspired by a video another member posted in another thread asking how we decide whether the claim of another is true or not true.

I think it's a pretty simple and straight forward question that requires no elaboration.

Why do you concern yourself with the beliefs or views of others?
I'm stupid enough to care.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I'm stupid enough to care.

I care about stupid beliefs that people impose or try to impose on others.

Of secondary interest is concern for the
welfare even of hostile strangers who have
gone off the rail in any stupid way.

Why do you care?
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I care about stupid beliefs that people impose or try to impose on others.
I agree. You can have any kind of ideology imposed on others not just religious. In the last 100 years we've seen a lot of suffering and death thanks to political ideological conflicts like communism vs capitalism.

The whole world lies in wickedness as the Bible says. Every wicked deed and ideology is manifestation of the same evil. They are lying spirits.
Of secondary interest is concern for the
welfare even of hostile strangers who have
gone off the rail in any stupid way.
Alrighty then
Why do you care?
Compassion, empathy.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I agree. You can have any kind of ideology imposed on others not just religious. In the last 100 years we've seen a lot of suffering and death thanks to political ideological conflicts like communism vs capitalism.

The whole world lies in wickedness as the Bible says. Every wicked deed and ideology is manifestation of the same evil. They are lying spirits.

Alrighty then

Compassion, empathy.

Blaming evil spirits is not going to be
helpful for solving problems with
human nature and nurture.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
This thread was inspired by a video another member posted in another thread asking how we decide whether the claim of another is true or not true.

I think it's a pretty simple and straight forward question that requires no elaboration.

Why do you concern yourself with the beliefs or views of others?
If their views align with mine, I wouldn't concern myself. When their views contrast with mine, I want to know why.


Edit: I find it is mostly an ontological issue.
 
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