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Featured Why do you believe in God of Abraham?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Starlight, Nov 22, 2022.

  1. 1213

    1213 Well-Known Member

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    I believe because of the Bible. And I believe in Bible, because things go as told in the Bible and it has wisdom and love that I don't think humans would have without God.
     
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    Anyone anywhere inside or outside of any religion who seeks and finds God will find the same God that worked with Abraham and subsequent faith generations of the Israelites.
     
  3. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    To the extent that all three ethical monotheism faiths can sound similar, sure. But trust me, if I were to start talking about Jesus, you would very quickly see how un-Christian I am :)
     
  4. The Sum of Awe

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    Just because that is the god you found doesn’t mean it’s the same god everyone finds.
     
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    There is only one God, when we find God we are all finding God as we understand God. Unless you are suggesting that there are different creators of the same creation?
     
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    The Abrahamic God dismisses other deities. There are no other names that he goes by, it is claimed in Christianity that it is only through Jesus that he can be found. Many find their god without a belief in Jesus.
     
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    I don't. I used to.
     
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    The Abrahamic God is a conceptualization of the One God by a certain culture. They applied names, favoritism and attributes to him.
     
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  9. The Sum of Awe

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    That’s an interesting take, one that I’ve never heard from a believer in the Bible. Would you say, then, that the Bible is flawed because that certain culture added their favoritism to it?
     
  10. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane My own religion

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    There are at least 3 answers.
    The Bible is right.
    The Bible is flawed/wrong.
    It is neither, it is a part of the answer but not all.

    The latter is syncretic view.
     
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    Yes! The Bible is terribly biased and flawed!

    Human wisdom must evolve! God meats us where we are.
     
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  12. The Sum of Awe

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    I do not disagree with your theology then, it seems all inclusive.
     
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    Without Abraham there would be no Christianity. It is the God of Abraham that Christians worship, for Catholics the Covenant with Abraham remains in effect.
     
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    Hi Starlight. Good afternoon. Why do I believe in the Mighty One of Abraham. Well, I don't know if I'll be able to do this question justice but I'll try. Firstly, I'd like to point out that monotheism did not make complete sense to most of the ancient people. In Biblical times most people - as can be seen from the written and archaeological record - believed in many mighty ones, each with their own sphere of influence. They simply couldn't comprehend that one mighty one could possibly take care of all the needs of an individual and create all things. As a result, because of this human error, they made up mighty ones who they could relate to, and which had questionable but distinguishable personalities and that were limited in power. If one wanted success with their relationships they would turn to the mighty one or g-ddess of love, whereas if they were after a bountiful harvest, the mighty one of grain. This led to a proliferation in creation of mighty ones and I should add, this became quite absurd.

    Although I am thinking specifically of some of the ancient Aztec mighty ones, the one that really comes to mind is Cardea, the Roman mighty one of door hinges. Ridiculous? I would say so. Yet even with that particular mighty one it wasn't just a minor deity or luck charm; she was part of the Roman pantheon of mighty ones, complete with her own mythological backstory.

    The monotheistic faith of Abraham was special. It's a very special faith which did not yield to the pressures of polytheism of the world around him. To explain why I believe in Yahweh, the mighty one of not only Abraham but the Bible, all one would have to do is show the fallacy of polytheism which was the primary religion of the day. Isaiah 44:12-20 shows the absurdity of idol creation and idol worship from the perspective of Yahweh and His people. To me, it doesn't make sense. Neither does it make sense to Yahweh, yet in Biblical times this is what people were doing. Those with some carpentry skills used them to create idols, creating works of art and worshiping them.

    The religion of Israel was distinctive, from which in turn Judaism, Chr-stianity and less directly Islam were formed. Have you ever tried to a do a study in these other religions that existed in the time of Abraham? History has not been kind in preserving their worship. Yahweh is the mighty one of history and pagan religions have not been preserved as the worship of Yahweh has in record of the Bible. Here, I think credit where credit is due, I should give recognition to the Jews for faithfully preserving these texts down through the millennia (Romans 3:2). Had these other religions been the truth, why wouldn't there worship have been meticulously preserved by the plethora of mighty ones they claimed to exist and why would these mighty ones have allowed their idols/statues to be defaced and destroyed over the years? They have turned to dust, just as those who worshiped them. Zechariah 1:5-6 says:

    "5 Your fathers, where are they? and the prophets, do they live for ever? 6 But my words and my statutes, which I commanded my servants the prophets, did they not overtake your fathers?"

    Now that we've considered polytheism and their frailty, let's consider Yahweh. Yahweh's Law is paramount in True Worship. IndigoChild5559 put it well in msg #19. Other religions demanded very little in the way of our character. This void in the morality of the adherents of these other religions is something that to me clearly shows a huge shortcoming in these other religions. The Mighty One Yahweh is and was different from the mighty ones of the nations. He promises to bless those that keep His commandments and curse those that do not (Deuteronomy 28).

    Yahweh's Law is a moral and wise law. It was devised in the heavenly realm and by keeping it we can learn Yahweh's character and indeed what the Kingdom will be like. To show love to Yahweh first of all and love to our fellow men is something that no other religion had. Further, unlike Islam, Yahweh has given His Holy Spirit to those that obey Him (Acts 5:32) to help us to keep the Law.

    Further, I'd like to mention the consistencies of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. The Mighty One of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Yahweh, has shown us in a very methodical and logical way what we must do to achieve salvation. These things have been preserved for us by the form of writing, Yahweh thoughtfully allowing us to study these things over and over, looking in depth in to the study of the text so we can cement our understanding. They are only 66 books of the Bible, not too much and not too little: - one can easily read through the Bible in one year reading just 3-4 chapters a day. Scientifically, there is much that proves that Yahweh's Word is true, and that there is great wisdom in the Law. Things such as the fact that scientists have traced all our genetic matter today to one mother is significant. The Bible tells us that Eve was the mother of all living (humans).

    Let's consider another undeniable point. Prophesy. The Bible has a watermark and that watermark is Bible prophesy and looking closely at the Bible you can see it and it goes to confirm the veracity of the Bible. Many prophesies have seen partial fulfillment, others complete fulfillment. One of the things I've looked at, beginning only with last week, is the fact that the Euphrates river appears to be drying up, something predicted in Revelation 16:12. Who would've thought that the Euphrates river, the longest river in southwest Asia would dry up, yet that appears to be happening, something that couldn't have been predicted thousands of years ago except by an all-knowing Being.

    Finally - and I'm sure someone else can come up with other reasons - I would say the changed lives that has resulted from adhering to the Word is significant. What Yahshua our Savior has done for each one of us is the ultimate act of love (John 15:13). And it's consistent with the other scriptures. Only a flesh and blood sacrifice can atone for sin. That's why Yahshua had to empty himself of his spiritual splendor in the heavens (Philippians 2:7) and take the form of a human being. Also this emptying out of Yahshua's splendor is alluded to all the way in Genesis 24:20. Yahweh's Truth has inspired the arts and good works for millenia all around the world. Further, it makes sense that there is a reward for righteousness. It makes sense that the world that has so much potential, that that potential should be realized in the future and will do so in the Kingdom. These are just the main reasons why I believe in Yahweh, the Elohim of Abraham.
     
  15. Trailblazer

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    Yes, He says he is the one true God, so in that sense He is saying all other god conceptions are false.
    Claims are only claims.
    Christianity is not the only Abrahamic religion. Judaism, Islam and the Baha'i Faith are also Abrahamic religoons whose followers believe in the one true God.
     
  16. The Sum of Awe

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    I was only questioning how the Abrahamic god could be seen as an inclusive deity, as Colter was saying. It sounds like you disagree with that concept though
     
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    Neither do I. I believe that God has always existed and God has always sent Messengers, and I believe that there were other religious cycles before the present cycle of religion, which includes the Adamic Cycle, of which Abraham is a part.

    Ages and Cycles
     
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    If by inclusive you mean that the Abrahamic God admits of other deities, no, as He claims to be the only deity that exists.
     
  19. The Sum of Awe

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    What I mean is, the idea that someone praying to, say, Odin, is in effect praying to the Abrahamic god. (Is he also called Yahweh in Bahai faith?)
     
  20. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    The belief in Gods did not start with Abraham.

    Abram’s (Abraham’s) family were worshipping using wooden figurines of Gods all their life.

    Abram came to understand that there was only one true God and when that true God told him to leave his family and travel to a land he did not even know, this one true God blessed him as a man of Faith and even called him ‘Friend’ (Careful…: ‘Friend’ might not mean exactly the same as it does today or what the Hebrew word it was translated from actually means!!)
    The Torah / Tanakh reveals that there were many (if not all) tribes and nations worshipping ‘Deity powers who guided and managed their lives, household, societies, heaven, earth, air, land and sea.

    Thix is shh the one true God told the eventual Hebrews that there was no other God but He: That he alone, was the sole controller of all things as opposed to the many of the ‘pagan’ tribes and nations.

    This is also why it is a ridiculous claim that this one sole God of the Hebrews should be worshipped as THREE PERSONS each of which IS this sole only true God.

    A claim of a three person God is no different to the pagan multi-Gods - in fact, a pantheon of individual Gods actually makes MORE SENSE than an ‘INCOMPREHENSIBLE’ multi-PERSON only God who can split ‘itself’ to become the very image of itself even though it’s creation is also an image of itself … but which it’s protagonists claim is not an image of …

    Confused? You should be since it is actual nonsense!!
     
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