Why do we see a rise in nationalism?

[Spirit of Light]

What is happening to the world? Why is Extreme Nationalism on its rise so much in the world today?
What can we do to stop it?

 

[ChristineM]

I wish i knew.

 

[danieldemol]

What is happening to the world? Why is Extreme Nationalism on its rise so much in the world today?
What can we do to stop it?

I think unchecked immigration causes it in developed nations, in developing countries I put it down to unwarranted pride

 

[Heyo]

What is happening to the world? Why is Extreme Nationalism on its rise so much in the world today?
What can we do to stop it?

Nationalism is often a symptom of a crisis (real or fabricated). The solution to the crisis is hard, lengthy or not wanted by the elites. Nationalism is offered as an easy and fast solution. It taps into an old tribal mechanism. In times of plenty it is easy and advantageous to share but when resources are scarce, it is better for the tribe to fight for the resources.
The solution is to explain how bronze age behaviour isn't working in a world economy.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It started during the economic crash and worldwide recession in 2008. Extremist movements tend to become popular during times of economic turmoil. That's how Hitler ended up in power. People turn to extremism from desperation. Meet the needs of a population and extremism will naturally die off, I'll bet you anything. People who are content and secure aren't given to scapegoating and violence.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The solution is to explain how bronze age behaviour isn't working in a world economy.

I mostly agree but this is older than Bronze Age thinking. There were very advanced and sophisticated cultures during that time. That's prehistoric hunter-gatherer thinking.

 

[Vinayaka]

My guess is that it's a combination of fear, and the fact that the planet's population is far more mobile than ever. Mobility a threat against your ethnocentricity, and so defensive posturing arises quite naturally.

 

[Sand Dancer]

My guess is that it's a combination of fear, and the fact that the planet's population is far more mobile than ever. Mobility a threat against your ethnocentricity, and so defensive posturing arises quite naturally.

Many people dislike globalism for different reasons.

 

[LuisDantas]

What is happening to the world? Why is Extreme Nationalism on its rise so much in the world today?

Magical thinking under a guise that attempts to be respectable when faced with real problems, mostly of demographic and political nature.

What can we do to stop it?

Challenge it fiercely and constantly. Remind ourselves and others of how fictional the very notion of nation is. Deny at every step the appearance of legitimacy that nationalists crave and can't ever deserve. Establish borderless institutions and initiatives at every opportunity. Shame it into non-existence daily, at every waking moment.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What is happening to the world? Why is Extreme Nationalism on its rise so much in the world today?
What can we do to stop it?

What's extreme about it?

 

[Shad]

What is happening to the world? Why is Extreme Nationalism on its rise so much in the world today?
What can we do to stop it?

It is natural reaction to globalism, crony capitalism, political sellouts, foreign aid, etc. The secondary relation is what matters as most nations practice soft-nationalism.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It is natural reaction to globalism, crony capitalism, political sellouts, foreign aid, etc. The secondary relation is what matters as most nations practice soft-nationalism.

That sounded like the way Hitler thought in the beginning of his political path. And this is what I fear maybe the most when it comes to the world. that example Trump or some other rightwing crazy person going to try to take over the world. But of course, it can happen from the very far left from Communism too. And that is just as bad as far-right.

 

[Augustus]

21st C nationalism is a response to issues caused by globalism and universalistic ideologies.

It is one of many major problems that could be mitigated by an increased move towards localism, but unfortunately most people opposed to nationalism think the solution is more globalism.

The solution is to explain how bronze age behaviour isn't working in a world economy.

Nationalism is mostly a modern phenomenon (last 300 years). There weren't really national identities as such prior to this (or even nations).

 

[Spirit of Light]

21st C nationalism is a response to issues caused by globalism and universalistic ideologies.

It is one of many major problems that could be mitigated by an increased move towards localism, but unfortunately most people opposed to nationalism think the solution is more globalism.




Nationalism is mostly a modern phenomenon (last 300 years). There weren't really national identities as such prior to this (or even nations).

Maybe time we start to see each other as human beings and not different races and nationalities?

 

[Augustus]

Maybe time we start to see each other as human beings and not different races and nationalities?

The best way to do this is to make people feel secure in heir own identity with control over their own community.

When you tell people they are wrong to adopt markers of identity and encourage policies that make them subject to forces that are increasingly beyond their control you encourage the opposite.

Decentralisation (i.e. localism) helps in this regard and also weakens ethno-nationalism.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The best way to do this is to make people feel secure in heir own identity with control over their own community.

When you tell people they are wrong to adopt markers of identity and encourage policies that make them subject to forces that are increasingly beyond their control you encourage the opposite.

Decentralisation (i.e. localism) helps in this regard and also weakens ethno-nationalism.

So if i understand you right, you say Bigger cities will help? but living out in the countryside will be worse?

 

[Augustus]

So if i understand you right, you say Bigger cities will help? but living out in the countryside will be worse?

Localism means decentralising much governance to the local/municipal level with only limited amounts at the national. A bit like Switzerland.

 

[Heyo]

Nationalism is mostly a modern phenomenon (last 300 years). There weren't really national identities as such prior to this (or even nations).

That is of course true. But the behaviour resulting from nationalism is the same as from tribalism (only on a bigger scale). And tribalism is old.

 

[Shadow Link]

What is happening to the world? Why is Extreme Nationalism on its rise so much in the world today?
What can we do to stop it?

The world is spinning, extreme nationalism is a exaggeration of left wing kooks, don't listen to the kooks.

 

[Shad]

That sounded like the way Hitler thought in the beginning of his political path.

Nope. Hitler was a ethnic nationalist holding a grudge over ww1 and what the allies did to Germany.

And this is what I fear maybe the most when it comes to the world. that example Trump or some other rightwing crazy person going to try to take over the world.

Trump isn't going to take over the world. Stop listening to media and the paranoid.

But of course, it can happen from the very far left from Communism too. And that is just as bad as far-right.

Communism used internal revolt to spread. The military was used to keep the area Communist after.