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Why Do Some Christians Not Recognize The Holy Mother Of Jesus?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by SunMessenger, Jun 26, 2006.

  1. James the Persian

    James the Persian Dreptcredincios Crestin

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    Off the top of my head, I'm not absolutely certain why that laguage is used. Could just be an artifice of the translation but more likely it is due to the eternal nature of the Incarnation. This is a bit speculative on my part as I've never read anything on this precise subject, but Christ still has both a human and a Divine nature and His being the mediator between man and God is, thus, eternal. It's rather similar to the way we view the Eucharist as taking part in the one, eternal sacrifice rather than repeating or reenacting it. Temporal language with respect to the Divine is always prone to misinterpretation.

    James
     
  2. SunMessenger

    SunMessenger Catholic

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    Well I feel You are correct. You do not need to ask The Holy Mother. This however returns us to one of the original questions. What is the harm in it if we do ask The Holy Mother to help us with our prayers? Why do many Christians choose to regard Her as just a woman who died and not at least recognize She may be held in Heaven in a much brighter light ? Be Well and God Bless...
     
  3. Mystic-als

    Mystic-als Active Member

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    I personally think it fine. But then I can also pray to my dead grandfather.
    This is frowned upon by the church I was brought up in. Okay, not so much frowned upon as forbidden.
     
  4. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    Catholic theology functions in conjunction with the family setting. I usually try to stay away from sounding too legalistic anyways. In this framework one can come to understand why God would allow his Mother to do things. Just one very powerful example in my opinion is the wedding feast at Cana. Grab your Bible and follow along with my insanity if you will....:D .......:shout . John Chapter 2

    John 2:4
    "Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come."
    It literally reads: What is this to me and to you?
    A Hebrew expression of either hostility (Judges 11:12; 2 Chron 35:21; 1 Kings 17:18) or denial of common interest (Hosea 14:9; 2 Kings 3:13).

    So Christ had no interest in bringing about wine to the wedding. His hour had not yet come. So what does Mary do? She says to the servants, "Do whatever He tells you."

    Do whatever He tells us! That's why Marian devotion does not take us away from Christ. It refocuses our eyes and our ears on whatever he tells us and that's what she is passionately concerned about.

    But also interestingly is that Christ listened to His Mother. He could have very easily repeated Himself and said "No, it is not my time."

    God is such a family man that He is willing to listen to His mommy. Personally, I find that very beautiful and it blows my mind.
     
  5. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    I won't be back until 7/5. I would greatly appreciate your input on my comments Katz. :)

    ~Victor
     
  6. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Victor,

    I have absolutely no doubt that Jesus was a devoted and obedient son to Mary. I am also certain that she recognized Him as her Savior. I am not convinced, however, that their mother-son relationship supports the notion that Mary is to be vererated to the degree she is by the Catholic Church. She will not, after all, ultimately have anything to do with our salvation. I'm sure she was an absolutely incredible woman, and I'm sure Christ would want us to regard her with the highest esteem. Period.

    Katz
     
  7. nutshell

    nutshell Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if that's true. We hear of prophets of the various dispensations being present at judgement. I'm not saying mary was a prophet, but perhaps she deserves a spot at the table if you know what I mean. Just thinking outloud here.
     
  8. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Well, I'm sure that response will earn you a few frubals from Victor. ;) I personally wouldn't venture a guess as to who's going to be on the jury. I suppose that, if God wants Mary there, she'd be a great advocate for mothers. I wouldn't mind seeing her there.
     
  9. nutshell

    nutshell Well-Known Member

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    Hey, Victor...read Kat's post...I could use some FRUBALS!!!

    lol
     
  10. moonrush

    moonrush New Member

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    Because Mary did not die for my sins, Jesus did. Also, consider this verse it really says a lot:
    “One of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to [Jesus], ‘Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.’ But He said, ‘On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it’ (Luke 11:27,28 NASB).
     
  11. moonrush

    moonrush New Member

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    also this verse:
    “While [Jesus] was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. Then one said to Him, ‘Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.’ But He answered and said to the one who told Him, ‘Who is My mother and who are My brothers?’ And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, ‘Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother’” (Matthew 12:46-50 NKJV).
     
  12. sandy whitelinger

    sandy whitelinger Veteran Member

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    Are you asking us to believe that you have no idea why?
     
  13. e.r.m.

    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    2 major reasons:
    1. The Bible is the standard.
    2. Mary was Holy, not divine.
     
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