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Why Do Some Christians Not Recognize The Holy Mother Of Jesus?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by SunMessenger, Jun 26, 2006.

  1. SoyLeche

    SoyLeche meh...

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    Look, we agree on something :)
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    This goes back to the "focus" issue. No. You're right. There is no need to do that. But some find that it helps deepen their sense of community and relationship with the whole Body of Christ when they do ask for intercession.

    Actually, the OP never mentions praying to Mary. It mentions that Mary has asked for us to pray. (To God -- not to her.) Some, when they pray, do so in order to honor Mary's request, involving Mary significantly in their prayer. (In the Rosary, for example, we say, "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.")
     
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    only because there was a maryian movement. Plus some religions actually had to build statues for their saints. It was hard to build a statue of a god since it is hard to adore a burning bush statue. Mary was the model they selected.
     
  4. SoyLeche

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    So, giving prayer to someone is not the same thing as praying to them?

    I think we're lost in semantics, but basically agree. It is not necessary, and (in most cases at least) does no harm. I choose not to, others may choose to.
     
  5. SoyLeche

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    Evidence?
     
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    No...only because she was the mother of Jesus.
     
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    The original authors never cared...... A woman of that importance... the mother of the powerful god would have more things written about her. Not much in my assessment and thus it shows. No one really gave too much importance to Mary thus people only prayed to god (it).
     
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    Go to the people who added the rosary as prayer to mary.........evidence....
     
  9. SoyLeche

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    Prove it.
     
  10. SoyLeche

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    I don't want to be stepping on anyone's toes - but I think that was a b
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    See in red. This qualifies your entire argument. Once again, unless you understand Christian theology, your argument really has no leg to stand on.
     
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    I do not need to refer to chrisitan theology, I am refering to the culture it self in the old times until women liberation came late in the 20th century.
     
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    ROFL :biglaugh:

    The reason had much more to do with theology than with cultural anthropology here.

    If your hypothosis is correct, why isn't a bigger deal made out of Jospeh, or Peter, or James, or John, or Matthew? It's because Jesus is the theological focus of the gospel message.
     
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    Then why bother debating it?
    Those who hold the Holy Mother in high esteem should be asked why they do, not assumed.
     
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    It seems that visions of Our Holy Mother are the most frequent ones reported. They seem to be reported more and more all around the world. I am not refering to images in burned toast either. I am asking about witnessed or even accepted visions by some religions. Why is that ?What do you think about these events ?Do they relate to the increased interest in Praying with or to The Holy Mother ?
     
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    Mary brings peace. The world is more stressed these days. We need peace more fervently.
     
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    Peace and Reassurance is that what it is all about ? You may be right...
     
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    I refering to the scripture writers. the culture was mail dominated thus mary was not a person that they wanted to write for. Jesus the son of god is evident. It could have been a daugther... eve is evil, etc...... The culture dictated your christian theology.....
     
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    The argument is Mary was not given importance because during the time she existed (if ever), the culture was a male dominated society. Now why can't I use the culture in those times to argue why Mary has no importance. Why do I need Chrisitan theology in this case?
     
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    Whatever makes humanity calm and not kill/argue violently with each other due to politics, religion, etc, then its for the common good of humanity.
     
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