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Why Do Some Christians Not Recognize The Holy Mother Of Jesus?

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
SoyLeche said:
No, because there is no need to.

And, the OP specifically mentions praying to Mary. If you have an issue with that, take it up with SM. I'm just trying to address why I don't.

This goes back to the "focus" issue. No. You're right. There is no need to do that. But some find that it helps deepen their sense of community and relationship with the whole Body of Christ when they do ask for intercession.

Actually, the OP never mentions praying to Mary. It mentions that Mary has asked for us to pray. (To God -- not to her.) Some, when they pray, do so in order to honor Mary's request, involving Mary significantly in their prayer. (In the Rosary, for example, we say, "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.")
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
Balderdash! Mary has always been held in esteem by the Church!

only because there was a maryian movement. Plus some religions actually had to build statues for their saints. It was hard to build a statue of a god since it is hard to adore a burning bush statue. Mary was the model they selected.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
SunMessenger said:
Why not give The Holy Mother Of Jesus Prayer? Why are some Christians so against this? We give respect to our own mothers. Why not The Holy Mother Of Jesus Christ? If You read some information about Her Message it only asks for prayer and repentance for sins. Whats so wrong about that ? I thought I would inquire. Be Well and God Bless...
So, giving prayer to someone is not the same thing as praying to them?

I think we're lost in semantics, but basically agree. It is not necessary, and (in most cases at least) does no harm. I choose not to, others may choose to.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
ProfLogic said:
only because there was a maryian movement. Plus some religions actually had to build statues for their saints. It was hard to build a statue of a god since it is hard to adore a burning bush statue. Mary was the model they selected.
Evidence?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
ProfLogic said:
only because there was a maryian movement. Plus some religions actually had to build statues for their saints. It was hard to build a statue of a god since it is hard to adore a burning bush statue. Mary was the model they selected.

No...only because she was the mother of Jesus.
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
No...only because she was the mother of Jesus.

The original authors never cared...... A woman of that importance... the mother of the powerful god would have more things written about her. Not much in my assessment and thus it shows. No one really gave too much importance to Mary thus people only prayed to god (it).
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
ProfLogic said:
The original authors never cared...... A woman of that importance... the mother of the powerful god would have more things written about her. Not much in my assessment and thus it shows. No one really gave too much importance to Mary thus people only prayed to god (it).

See in red. This qualifies your entire argument. Once again, unless you understand Christian theology, your argument really has no leg to stand on.
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
See in red. This qualifies your entire argument. Once again, unless you understand Christian theology, your argument really has no leg to stand on.

I do not need to refer to chrisitan theology, I am refering to the culture it self in the old times until women liberation came late in the 20th century.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
ProfLogic said:
I do not need to refer to chrisitan theology, I am refering to the culture it self in the old times until women liberation came late in the 20th century.

ROFL :biglaugh:

The reason had much more to do with theology than with cultural anthropology here.

If your hypothosis is correct, why isn't a bigger deal made out of Jospeh, or Peter, or James, or John, or Matthew? It's because Jesus is the theological focus of the gospel message.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
ProfLogic said:
I do not need to refer to chrisitan theology, I am refering to the culture it self in the old times until women liberation came late in the 20th century.

Then why bother debating it?
Those who hold the Holy Mother in high esteem should be asked why they do, not assumed.
 

SunMessenger

Catholic
It seems that visions of Our Holy Mother are the most frequent ones reported. They seem to be reported more and more all around the world. I am not refering to images in burned toast either. I am asking about witnessed or even accepted visions by some religions. Why is that ?What do you think about these events ?Do they relate to the increased interest in Praying with or to The Holy Mother ?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
SunMessenger said:
It seems that visions of Our Holy Mother are the most frequent ones reported. They seem to be reported more and more all around the world. I am not refering to images in burned toast either. I am asking about witnessed or even accepted visions by some religions. Why is that ?What do you think about these events ?Do they relate to the increased interest in Praying with or to The Holy Mother ?

Mary brings peace. The world is more stressed these days. We need peace more fervently.
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
ROFL :biglaugh:

The reason had much more to do with theology than with cultural anthropology here.

If your hypothosis is correct, why isn't a bigger deal made out of Jospeh, or Peter, or James, or John, or Matthew? It's because Jesus is the theological focus of the gospel message.

I refering to the scripture writers. the culture was mail dominated thus mary was not a person that they wanted to write for. Jesus the son of god is evident. It could have been a daugther... eve is evil, etc...... The culture dictated your christian theology.....
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
Victor said:
Then why bother debating it?
Those who hold the Holy Mother in high esteem should be asked why they do, not assumed.

The argument is Mary was not given importance because during the time she existed (if ever), the culture was a male dominated society. Now why can't I use the culture in those times to argue why Mary has no importance. Why do I need Chrisitan theology in this case?
 

ProfLogic

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
Mary brings peace. The world is more stressed these days. We need peace more fervently.

Whatever makes humanity calm and not kill/argue violently with each other due to politics, religion, etc, then its for the common good of humanity.
 
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