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Featured Why Do So Many Westerners Think the Tao is a God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sunstone, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. Father Heathen

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    As others have suggested, the influence of abrahamic faiths and the fact that such faiths discourage thinking outside of their boxes, so people tend to perceive things within an incorrect context.
     
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  2. Sunstone

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    How would you define religion?
     
  3. Sunstone

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    Check out post #16 in this very thread! Fascinating, eh?
     
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    To clarify, are you saying that anything -- anything -- there is nothing beyond is by definition "God"?
     
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  5. Rival

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    This also covers what we mean by 'god'; how its defined.
     
  6. Sunstone

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    I think there's something to what you're saying, Steve. I mean, you may have hit upon one of the reasons the Tao is often confused with a god. But to go beyond what you're saying -- just out of curiosity --- would you say sentience was a necessary attribute of deity?
     
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    In greek paganism, the cosmos is One. The One is the strongest number in unity. all fall into the One and there is nothing beyond One. The One can sustain itself perfectly. So the One (who is everything and it sustains itself perfectly) is God.

    The definition of ''God'' is: The ''thing'' that has it's own life and it sustains itself perfectly.

    If there is something beyond the One, it doesn't matter, because it cannot affect the One. So it's like it doesn't exist. :)
     
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    Yes, I did catch that after I posted my reply. Also post 17 is good. That is how I have come to see the Tao as well. In my thinking God is the IS, or that Tao. I remove that anthropomorphic, dualistic face. It's Nature with a capital N, Reality, Ground, Source, Sumit, indivisible. It can be personal, or not.

    Seeing beyond dualism really is the key to all of it. No wonder no one gets what I mean by God. :)
     
  9. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    Buddhism is NOT a religion, it is a philosophy. There are no deities to be worship, nor is there any dogmatic rituals to be followed. This is what I mean by ignorance...
     
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    Everyone has to find their own truth, I guess....
     
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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    But these trappings have been added through the centuries by those that could not stand not being in control.
     
  12. Terry Sampson

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    Look, ... I don't have an objection to your claim. What I did and do have is a suggestion.

    • My suggestion is that you take your claim to the folks who run RF and get them to take Buddism out of the Dharmic Religions DIR where it currently is and put it somewhere else, like, say, under the friggin' "Philosophy" forum under EVERYTHING BUT THE KITCHEN SINK".
    And I hope to God I don't get a Moderator warning for making that suggestion emphatically.
     
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    Breathe,T...breathe..
     
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    Hard to do when I'm havin' a stroke, ....
     
  15. Road Less Traveled

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    Taoism is from the writings of Lao-tzu. The source is from Lao-tzu. But then Lao-tzu may have had a source as well. A lot of people are reluctant to use the word ‘god’ since it’s been loaded with so much stench. So some will use other words such as source, universe, nature, etc. And then it is perceived that the source or universe or nature and its laws are just other terms for a god and a gods laws from others who cannot perceive differently. (Whether accurate, inaccurate, or compatible in ways.)
     
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    And those that refuse to listen never do.
     
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    Tao knows. :shrug:
     
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  18. Howard Is

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    The origins of Taoism are fascinating...

    “Beginning around the 4th century, Taoist texts mentioned using cannabis in censers. Needham cited the (ca. 570 AD) Taoist encyclopedia Wushang Biyao 無上秘要 ("Supreme Secret Essentials") that cannabis was added into ritual incense-burners, and suggested the ancient Taoists experimented systematically with "hallucinogenic smokes".[17] The Yuanshi shangzhen zhongxian ji元始上真眾仙記 ("Records of the Assemblies of the Perfected Immortals"), which is attributed to Ge Hong (283-343), says:

    For those who begin practicing the Tao it is not necessary to go into the mountains. … Some with purifying incense and sprinkling and sweeping are also able to call down the Perfected Immortals. The followers of the Lady Wei and of Hsu are of this kind.[18]
    Lady Wei Huacun 魏華存 (252-334) and Xu Mi 許謐 (303-376) founded the Taoist Shangqing School. The Shangqing scriptures were supposedly dictated to Yang Xi (330-c. 386) in nightly revelations from immortals, and Needham proposed Yang was "aided almost certainly by cannabis". The Mingyi bielu 名醫別錄 ("Supplementary Records of Famous Physicians"), written by the Taoist pharmacologist Tao Hongjing (456-536), who also wrote the first commentaries to the Shangqing canon, says, "Hemp-seeds (麻勃) are very little used in medicine, but the magician-technicians (shujia 術家) say that if one consumes them with ginseng it will give one preternatural knowledge of events in the future."[19][20] A 6th-century AD Taoist medical work, the Wuzangjing 五臟經 ("Five Viscera Classic") says, "If you wish to command demonic apparitions to present themselves you should constantly eat the inflorescences of the hemp plant."[21]

    Joseph Needham connected myths about Magu, "the Hemp Damsel", with early Daoist religious usages of cannabis, pointing out that Magu was goddess of Shandong's sacred Mount Tai, where cannabis "was supposed to be gathered on the seventh day of the seventh month, a day of seance banquets in the Taoist communities."[22]

    From - Cannabis in China | Wikiwand
     
  19. Howard Is

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    And the origin of ‘Hoochie Coochie Man’ ! “On the seventh day of the seventh month, the seven doctors say....”, lol.

    Hooch et couchez ?
     
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    It can be, like this


    The same way we associate God with Heaven. In other words, by interactionary derivation, the Dao can be, or is associated with God.
     
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