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Featured Why do so few people keep the seventh day Sabbath?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Messianic Israelite, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. Regiomontanus

    Regiomontanus retired astronomer

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    Hello. I appreciate where you are coming from brother. My only contribution here is just to highlight a bit of Christian history:

    Council of Laodicea (circa 364 AD):

    'Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour; and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.'
     
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  2. KenS

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    I don't think Hebrews 4:9 is talking about the Sabbath as in the 7th day.

    The verse before says: "3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world." which isn't talking about the Sabbath.

    Then again... In Col 2:26 (Phillips translation which expresses it well)
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    In view of these tremendous facts, don’t let anyone worry you by criticising what you eat or drink, or what holy days you ought to observe, or bothering you over new moons or sabbaths. All these things have at most only a symbolical value: the solid fact is Christ.

    When we accept Jesus we rest every day. Christ causes us to enter into rest. Some choose Sunday, some choose a Friday to Saturday... the doctor who works on Sunday chooses a different day. :)
     
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  3. SomeRandom

    SomeRandom Still learning to be wise
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    Which day is the Sabbath? I’ve heard all my life that it is actually Saturday. But that could just be pop culture playing tricks.
     
  4. KenS

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    In the Christian understanding, Jesus is the Sabbath.
     
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    The day after six days of working.

    The Ninth day of the month
     
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    You will need to explain this for those of us who have no idea what you mean.
     
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    My opinion is that the observance of the Sabbath Day is a covenant and not a statement of which day it is, even though we do know God rested on the seventh day, we also know that God resurrected on the first day.
    It does not matter to me what day a person or group of persons celebrate the sabbath, I am only happy to hear that they have a sabbath and I am even happier when I hear that they believe in Jesus Christ, but if they don't do either I do not hold that or anything else against them.
     
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    7th day of the week, which in the Jewish (the religion that began the concept) week, is saturday.
     
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    So, every 9th of the month is a Sabbath day?
     
  10. KenS

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    With the backdrop that it is VERY healthy to take a day off...

    If we go back to Adam and Eve, when fellowship with God was daily and intimate in the fullest sense, there wasn't a "one day" of a Sabbath. Every day, with God, is a Sabbath - a rest in God and with God.

    Using some scriptures, I'm sure there are more:

    Hebrews 4 :9-10 i, "So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his."

    Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

    The Sabbath during the Mosaic law (for Christians) was simply a shadow that the coming of the person of Jesus Christ was casting. As the Lord of the Sabbath, we have entered into a complete communion with God as was with Adam and Eve. We rest from the efforts of keeping connected with God with the sacrifices through the shedding of blood, one day to spend with Him et al. Accepting Jesus, who is Lord of the Sabbath, we enter into a rest that is continual and without ceasing. We don't have to "try" to connect with God, we now boldly enter the Throne-room of Grace.

    Thus, as Paul explained in Romans 14:6 VOICE If someone observes a day as holy, he observes it in honor of the Lord. If another eats a particular diet, he eats in honor of the Lord since he begins by giving thanks! If yet another abstains from that same food, he abstains out of respect for the Lord and begins his meal by thanking God too.

    So... if you want Friday evening to Saturday evening to be your day of worship and you do it as unto God... then God says, "That's great!" If you want Sunday to be that special day, then God says "That's great!". If you are a doctor that worked the weekend shift and you want to make Monday a day for the Lord then "wonderful!" If every day you worship and dedicate it to God, then "amazing!"

    Every day you are living with God and through God.

    Hope that was clear... let me know.
     
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    Your quote from Leviticus is from a section speaking about a holiday on the 10th day of the 7th month and nothing else. The Mark quote doesn't say anything about the sabbath's ending at any point -- just that he continued what he did earlier.

    How do you conclude that the weekly sabbath is on Saturday, or that it starts at sundown or ends at sundown? Do you use this logic to apply to any other holidays that you observe (that they start at sundown)?

    as a side note, Matthew 28:1 seems to indicate that the sabbath ends right before dawn: "After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week"
     
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    It's when the Jews leave us for a part of the weekend.:p
     
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    Ahh that explains a lot :D
     
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    I also find it strange.
    Especially with the OP listing Leviticus 23:32 as the source for his claim that the Sabbath is from Friday night sundown till Saturday night sundown...

     
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    Yes.
    Thank you for the explanation.
    I appreciate it.
     
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    There is a simple pragmatic reason most people can’t keep the Sabbath as described in the Written Torah. It requires additional instruction from the Oral Torah in order to do that. The Oral Torah in not available to the non-Jew. In order to have access to it it is necessary to accept its authority. That is something Christians can’t do without undermining the authority of Christian sources including their New Testament, for example.
     
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    From a Christian perspective the Ten Commandments are not the standard.
    In fact, in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus raised the bar of what was to be
    expected of those serving G-d.
     
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    Privilege is saying that the world can be ignored for 24 hours.
     
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    I consider any day I’m off to be a day of relaxation.
     
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    It’s the day in the latest Spider-Man games where Jewish NPCs don’t appear.
     
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