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Why do skeptics question whether the Biblical Jesus Christ ever existed?

lukethethird

unknown member
Well, ah . . . you are a believer and apparently believe the historical Jesus existed, please explain why?!?!?!? Can you cite any outside references during the life of Jesus concerning his miraculous supernatural life?

Like othr historical figures in the ancient world there are historical literature that refer to Jesus existed, and even though they are not contemporary to Jesus they refer to testimony that Jesus existed, As with other historical religious figures it is sufficient to support their existence in history. The problem will always be that that like miraculous and supernatural claims today there lacks objective nor verifiable evidence for any miraculous events ever taking place.

It is time for you to make the effort to understand how academic history works instead of slinging maure based on a religious agenda. Religious claims and beliefs are NOT documentable in history regardless of which religion one believes. If you believe these event can be documented by second sources during the life of the religious leader please provide the references and evidence.
If you can't give a reason as to why you believe Jesus is historical just say so.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
If you can't give a reason as to why you believe Jesus is historical just say so.

The reason is he was recorded as a historical figure and he had believers in sources like Josephus.

You need to strat doing your own homework and understand how academic historical research and discoveries particularly ancient religious figures.
 

lukethethird

unknown member
The reason is he was recorded as a historical figure and he had believers in sources like Josephus.

You need to strat doing your own homework and understand how academic historical research and discoveries particularly ancient religious figures.
Ancient historical figures like God and the Son of God?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Ancient historical figures like God and the Son of God?

Historical figures in history are human beings. Academic history cannot deal with that which cannot be historically objectively documented including Gods, elves, dragons, unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters
 

lukethethird

unknown member
Historical figures in history are human beings. Academic history cannot deal with that which cannot be historically objectively documented including Gods, elves, dragons, unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters
But the story about the Son of God is based on an historical figure, I see.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
But the story about the Son of God is based on an historical figure, I see.

To claim that Jesus was the Christ and Son of God is a religious claim not an academic historical claim. Buddha conceived by an elephant is based on a historical figure. Muhammad going to heaven and back is in a day is a supernatural claim based on a historical figure. Many historical ancient religious figures have mythological and supernatural events recorded later in their lives and academic history cannot demonstrate that any of these are historically true. Without bias in academic history consider these nor any miraculous and supernatural events and claims as ture. They are beliefs that cannot be documented historically as true.
 

lukethethird

unknown member
To claim that Jesus was the Christ and Son of God is a religious claim not an academic historical claim. Buddha conceived by an elephant is based on a historical figure. Muhammad going to heaven and back is in a day is a supernatural claim based on a historical figure. Many historical ancient religious figures have mythological and supernatural events recorded later in their lives and academic history cannot demonstrate that any of these are historically true. Without bias in academic history consider these nor any miraculous and supernatural events and claims as ture. They are beliefs that cannot be documented historically as true.

Jesus is not in the history books, there are no academic claims for Jesus, just repeated beliefs that Jesus was an historical figure within a scholarly echo chamber. Josephus is far too late to be of any consequence even if not a forgery. It's nothing short of amazing how many people believe Jesus is historical based on hearsay. No one can give an actual reason unlike for Pontius Pilate. Philo wrote about Pilate when Pilate was alive, he offered his opinion of Pilate as well as some facts. Jesus had no contemporaries, just an unsupported belief that he actually lived.
 
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