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Featured Why do Christians side with Jews more than Muslims?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Epic Beard Man, Nov 6, 2018.

  1. Epic Beard Man

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    This is a sincere question

    I really do not get the logic to be honest. I've listened to Jewish sermons and upon fielding some of the congregate questions some rabbis jokingly mention Jesus or actually refer to him as "JC" in a joking way. Anecdotally, I've seen Jews mock Christians for their belief (of course I've seen opposite as well), heck even in the very Bible it says in the following:

    "When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. 'I am innocent of this man’s blood,' he said. 'It is your responsibility!' All the people answered, 'His blood is on us and on our children!' (Greek: Τὸ αἷμα αὐτοῦ ἐφ’ ἡμᾶς καὶ ἐπὶ τὰ τέκνα ἡμῶν)."

    Of course there are modern interpretations to what the above verse means, but the point is observant Jews do not believe in Jesus (as well as the trinity) and in fact according to Jews, Jesus failed several test to be considered a Moshiach. On the other hand Muslims believe in Jesus, believe in his messianic mission, believe that there was an attempt to crucify him and even believe in the various miracles performed by Jesus. Muslims also say "peace be upon him" upon the very mentioning of Jesus' name. Now of course there are linguistic differences between Arab speaking Muslims and Arab Christians upon the name of Jesus, as Christian Arabs refer to Jesus as Yasu and Arabic speaking Muslims refer to Jesus as Isa ibn Maryum but more importantly regardless of the name Muslims are commanded to believe in Jesus.

    What perplexes me are the Christians who are so animated in their blind support of Judaism, Israel, and settlements that encroach on the lands of Palestinians because Jews are so-called "God's chosen people," yet they fail to realize from a religious point of view, the very people they support believe they are pagans and polytheists. I mean, if there is no temple Jews are allowed to pray in a mosque and forbidden to pray in a church. Jews have referred to God as Allah, and there are Jews that readily say they have more in common with Muslims than Christians and with that being said out of sincerity to Christian believers why do you continue your theological fight against Muslims yet support Jews?

    You can mention history between Judaism and Christianity, but Muslims have no history Biblically and yet Jews at least the religious ones I'm familiar with believe Muslims are very much monotheists as they are and yet Christians in the majority continue to doubt Muslims and very much Islam.
     
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  2. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    it's because Muslims have extremist laws that are oppressing hundreds of millions of people. Muslims imprison and kill people for questioning the Quran or criticizing the Prophet Muhammad.

    Muslims have also been known to cut off hands and feet , stone adulterers in the 21st century, crucify people, and they often live like it's Dark Aged theocracies. Muslims have also taken Christians and non-muslims and made them sex slaves. in some countries, a woman needs five men to testify that she got raped or she goes to jail for adultery.

    If Jews were doing that, I would have just as much resentment.
     
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  3. Epic Beard Man

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    I've already been through this with you already
     
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    The bottom line is, Christians are severely persecuted in Muslim countries. It is rare (if ever) to hear about Jews instituting harsh policies against non-jews or robbing people of free speech, for religious reasons.
     
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  5. Epic Beard Man

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    Again, this question I asked is for Christians. I mean, you are religiously ambiguous so I don't think the question applies to you.
     
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    And you had no rational argument. You often ignored my posts which proved that the Quran calls people to violence, has psychopathic tortures and mutilations, and says not to take Jews and Christians as friends.

    Yes, I've said it before, and you had nothing to refute it.

    You asked the question, so I gave you the answer again.
     
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    I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. Some would call me a Christian, others would not. As far as I'm concerned, I am a Christian, but I'm quick to point out errors in the Bible.

    What is a Christian in your opinion?
     
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    I have refuted your position many times over again but that is neither here nor there.
     
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    A Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Someone who doesn't pray to human beings or people that have passed on nor do they incorporate other cultural beliefs as their own as you have. That is why I refer to you as religious ambiguous because quite frankly you're incorporating beliefs that are not traditional to Christianity.
     
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    The Roman Catholics, Orthodox etc are not Zionists generally, and that is what you are talking about when you refer to "Animated blind support of Israel" and is not the same as support for Judaism. There are zionist Christians in the USA, and generally Christian zionism is visible back in the mid 19th century with small groups of bible students. This is a movement which hopes to see Jews in Israel in order to see Jesus return. Sometimes it is activist and works to work towards a Jewish Israel, and sometimes its just hopeful and watchful. The main reason for this manic type of christian zionism I think is that its exciting, and its a talking point used to grasp at legitimacy for some of the ministries. The reasoning is "Israel has miraculously appeared. We support Israel, and thus our ministry is legitimate." I'm not saying its logical just that its why zionism is popular with certain preachers.
     
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    I'm also referring to evangelicals or are they under that umbrella as well?
     
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    I specifically remember you ignoring many posts , and no, you often had no answer.

    The Quran contains bigotry and psychopathic torture, cruelty, and hate, that many Muslims acted out in the past and even in our 21st century. You have nothing that can refute the obvious.
     
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    I may try to respond to the OP, but just don't have the time right now.
     
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    There are enormous amounts of Christians that do not side with Jews or Israel. I would not be surprised if there were over a billion of them. I have met many Christians even in my own family that don't support Israel and have negative things to say about Jews.

    I've heard more negative things about Jews and the Talmud from mom and dad than negative things about Islam. My mom even defends Muslims when I bring it up.
     
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    What about all the persecution of minority Christians in Muslim countries?

    Edit: Not even necessarily minority Christians. Like in Nigeria for example Christians are a majority yet they are still targets of terrorist attacks from Boko Haram.
     
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    Evangelicals are protestant not Roman Catholic or Orthodox. Evangelicals have miracles services, lots of media shows on radio and TV. They are doctrinally very similar to southern baptists but have a strong charismatic influence. There is not a monolithic single evangelical organization. They have many different ministries, so there are different groups of churches that are evangelical but do not have it in their titles. Examples are bahamasfaithministries.org, www.roberttiltonlive.com, www.kcm.org, and there are many more. Talking up Israel is a kind of party trick much like having a healing service, sending out missionaries to a far away place etc. Its about legitimizing the minister.
     
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    Catholics and Orthodox Christians make up the majority of Christendom, and my experience is that they don't side with Jews and Israel on average.

    I wouldn't be surprised at all if over half of Christians have very negative things to say about Jews, the talmud, and Israel. Certainly in my personal experience, that is true.
     
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    Given that Muslims have a 1400-year history of killing, enslaving and oppressing Christians, we really don't have any reason to favor them over Jews. Both Islamic caliphates and Jewish Zionism have done damage to Christianity in our Middle Eastern homelands, Islam moreso.
     
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    I have yet to see evidence that Jews are robing Christians of free speech, freedom of religion, blasphemy laws, turning Christians into sex slaves, blowing up their churches intentionally, or instituting laws and policies that persecute Christians.

    Christians have many valid reasons for siding with Jews over Muslims.
     
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    Actually a pretty large percentage of Christians (i.e., Catholics) do pray to people who have passed on (e.g., Mary and the Saints).

    I kind of respect PopeADope for finding his own way to God--even if he does demand a lot of attention (starting about 30% of all new posts on this site) and comes up with some pretty weird stuff sometimes. As a zen Xian and a prophet myself, I understand the drive to understand.

    As to the OP, I think Xians are generally more familiar with the Jews, starring as they do in most of the Christian Bible. And then, yeah, there are the Muslim traditions that appear barbaric, oppressive and backward to outsiders. We still feel superior to both Jews and Muslims, of course, but we feel a lot safer with the Jews.
     
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