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Featured Why Do Baha'i Reject Their Own Prophecy?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    So as some of you know I've been sent from Heaven, and known this since childhood; having studied the religions as asked to share, the rejection of this will literally lead to global Tribulation.

    According to science we have less than 100 years left before human extinction; so there can not be 1000 years before the next manifestation.

    So literally begging the Baha'i on this forum to take your prophecies seriously, and help us create world peace.

    In 1873 Bahá'u'lláh wrote in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas:[23]

    "How great the blessedness that awaiteth the king who will arise to aid My Cause in My kingdom, who will detach himself from all else but Me! Such a king is numbered with the companions of the Crimson Ark--the Ark which God hath prepared for the people of Bahá. All must glorify his name, must reverence his station, and aid him to unlock the cities with the keys of My Name, the omnipotent Protector of all that inhabit the visible and invisible kingdoms. Such a king is the very eye of mankind, the luminous ornament on the brow of creation, the fountainhead of blessings unto the whole world. Offer up, O people of Bahá, your substance, nay your very lives, for his assistance."
    (Bahá'u'lláh, Kitáb-i-Aqdas, 1873)

    This is elaborated specifically:

    "In the Lawh-i-Ra'ís He actually and categorically prophesies the rise of such a king: "Erelong will God raise up from among the kings one who will aid His loved ones. He, verily, encompasseth all things. He will instill in the hearts the love of His loved ones. This, indeed, is irrevocably decreed by One Who is the Almighty, the Beneficent." In the Ridvánu'l-`Adl, wherein the virtue of justice is exalted, He makes a parallel prediction: "Erelong will God make manifest on earth kings who will recline on the couches of justice, and will rule amongst men even as they rule their own selves. They, indeed, are among the choicest of My creatures in the entire creation.""
    (Bahá'u'lláh, 1868, quoted by Shoghi Effendi in Promised Day is Come)

    In my opinion.
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    It is the first time that I have heard that that we humans will be extinct in hundred years from now. Of course, if we were hit by an asteroid the size that wiped out the dinosaurs that could easily happen, especially if the climate changed dramatically as a result. But man is sufficiently advanced to steer any incoming asteroid of that size away from Earth or even blow it up, don't you think.

    If you say that we would destroy ourselves with nuclear disaster, that is another scenario whereby humans could become extinct in 100 years. A few Chernobyls would do the job.

    I have also written about the Economic doomsday scenario that could bring impending doom upon humanity if capitalism is not checked in time and humanity does not change course. Economic resources will dwindle and climate could change irreversibly.

    All this could indeed render the prophecy of world peace in great danger.
     
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    We are at the beginning of the golden age that prophets and poets have depicted in song and fable. (Divine Philosophy - Abdul-Baha)


    The Great Peace towards which people of good will throughout the centuries have inclined their hearts, of which seers and poets for countless generations have expressed their vision, and for which from age to age the sacred scriptures of mankind have constantly held the promise, is now at long last within the reach of the nations. For the first time in history it is possible for everyone to view the entire planet, with all its myriad diversified peoples, in one perspective. World peace is not only possible but inevitable. It is the next stage in the evolution of this planet—in the words of one great thinker, “the planetization of mankind” (Universal House of Justice)
     
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    Without rectifying the religious divided first, we won't create peace; trying to unite two diametrically opposed forces, will create an alternate reaction.

    Synoptic Gospels Vs John, Paul, and Simon the stone (petros).

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  7. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Whats the point, we are extinct in 100 years, may as well plunder and have a great time.

    Regards Tony
     
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    With the help of the Divine we could fix this planet between us instead...

    If WW3 happens, and judgement day comes, many spiritually are not worthy to exist any longer; whilst thinking they are...

    Either way we keep the reality as we like it; it is just a test to see if Baha'i want people to understand the Oneness of God?

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  9. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Judgement day came in 1844 and we now live in it each day. If you are inspired as you suggest, you should know this.

    The Baha'i are working for peace, you can assist anytime. Many others also work for peace.

    Yes great change is on its way.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Peace isn't found when the wound is festering, eventually it needs removing, else it spreads to the whole.

    Since we need to challenge a whole religious infrastructure, based on history this is unadvisable... People don't listen properly, and it causes more defractions.

    It is like on here, none have bothered to take any of the exegesis seriously, and investigate their own belief structures accordingly.
    We can believe that, when we re-examine the religious texts properly with an open mind to change...

    Like if I'm not seeing an angle on something, show me; as I've always got great faith in, "I do not know".

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  11. wizanda

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    The Bab and then Baha'u'llah coming are not ultimate Judgement Day...

    The Bab prophesied a manifestation of God, which is Baha'u'llah...

    Who then prophesied before the time of the Great Tribulation comes one before it; who Baha'i are meant to respect.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  12. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Peace is found when we let the Physician treat the wound. At times parts do have to be removed and as humanity has rejected the treatment to date, most likely the wound will require a significant section removed.

    What will happen to make humanity change its current mindset, is not known, but cities will not survive and most likely America and Russia will suffer greatly. How long humanity will let the wound fester, is also not known. What we do know that when as a whole humanity accepts it needs healing, then the Lesser Peace will be built.

    As Baha'u'llah has said, this dispensation will last for 500,000 years, the 100 year extintion of humanity will not happen, but I would expect our need to change will happen within that 100 years.

    I can not tell you what it is you see, I can say what it is most likely not. It is not a direct revelation or connection with God. We can only see God through His Manifestations.

    Baha'u'llah has said when a Messenger gives a message, souls that are near to God can get inspiration to help share that Message. The key here is, is that person has to identify the source, before the experiences thay have are unlocked.

    Thus as an example, William Miller in the early 1800's, who corectly predicted Christ to return in 1844, if he could have let go of preconceived ideas, he may have been able to search the world to see if a Message had been given. He would have connected with the source of his calling about Christs return.

    Thus I see you have many good visions of the future, to unfold what is inspiration from the source and what is from your own self, requires one to connect with the source.

    Who was it that brought the Oneness of God and the Oneness of humaity from God to us? It was the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

    That is my advice, to which you can say, is my opinion.

    Regards Tony
     
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    It is the Bab and Baha'u'llah who have brought humanity back to God. This is where we turn to in this age. All good is from God and all good is now through their Messages. This is our judgement to face.

    wizanda, I see, is but a man like us, struggling to find our true selves.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Shoghi Effendi also wrote about the Golden Age:

    “God’s purpose is none other than to usher in, in ways He alone can bring about, and the full significance of which He alone can fathom, the Great, the Golden Age of a long-divided, a long-afflicted humanity. Its present state, indeed even its immediate future, is dark, distressingly dark. Its distant future, however, is radiant, gloriously radiant—so radiant that no eye can visualize it.

    “The winds of despair,” writes Bahá’u’lláh, as He surveys the immediate destinies of mankind, “are, alas, blowing from every direction, and the strife that divides and afflicts the human race is daily increasing. The signs of impending convulsions and chaos can now be discerned, inasmuch as the prevailing order appears to be lamentably defective.” “Such shall be its plight,” He, in another connection, has declared, “that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly.” “These fruitless strifes,” He, on the other hand, contemplating the future of mankind, has emphatically prophesied, in the course of His memorable interview with the Persian orientalist, Edward G. Browne, “these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come…. These strifes and this bloodshed and discord must cease, and all men be as one kindred and one family.” “Soon,” He predicts, “will the present-day order be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead.” “After a time,” He also has written, “all the governments on earth will change. Oppression will envelop the world. And following a universal convulsion, the sun of justice will rise from the horizon of the unseen realm.” “The whole earth,” He, moreover, has stated, “is now in a state of pregnancy. The day is approaching when it will have yielded its noblest fruits, when from it will have sprung forth the loftiest trees, the most enchanting blossoms, the most heavenly blessings.” “All nations and kindreds,” ‘Abdu’l-Bahá likewise has written, “…will become a single nation. Religious and sectarian antagonism, the hostility of races and peoples, and differences among nations, will be eliminated. All men will adhere to one religion, will have one common faith, will be blended into one race, and become a single people. All will dwell in one common fatherland, which is the planet itself.”

    What we witness at the present time, during “this gravest crisis in the history of civilization,” recalling such times in which “religions have perished and are born,” is the adolescent stage in the slow and painful evolution of humanity, preparatory to the attainment of the stage of manhood, the stage of maturity, the promise of which is embedded in the teachings, and enshrined in the prophecies, of Bahá’u’lláh. The tumult of this age of transition is characteristic of the impetuosity and irrational instincts of youth, its follies, its prodigality, its pride, its self-assurance, its rebelliousness, and contempt of discipline.” The Promised Day Is Come, pp. 116-117
     
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    You flatter yourself. The funny thing is exactly who you think you are exists in all 7.5 billion people on the planet. Everything we think is great and bad about who we are lives on in other people after we die. Once you fully accept you are not unique, your ego dies and you are reborn to a larger perspective on humanity. It's actually quite relieving and comforting to know everything I love and hold dear will live on in other people exactly the same way it has lived in me.

    I think everything in the World is just fine in spite of your dire warnings. You know how to get what you want, want what you have. Wanting what you have is the key to happiness and being capable of appreciate all God's blessings flowing to you.

    If you still think the World is going to end here's a t-shirt for you to survive:

    https://www.zazzle.com/i_survived_the_end_of_the_world_again_shirt-235434801619077970
     
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    Having been told since before 3 years old that the Tribulation will happen in our lifetime, and that the reason the world has been deceived is the "I Am" deception in the Bible...

    We could literally fix some of these issues between us on this forum, and world peace could literally spread from here; if you don't help everyone dies, and then only the saints who've already got the mind of Christ will remain after.

    Like think about if the Baha'is could accept the prophecies, we unite the religions, and here makes a great online resource for comprehension or we just wait for WW3...

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I had a close friend who swore Jesus was going to come in his lifetime. He died 11 years ago. You and I will be long dead and gone before whatever is you are terrified about is going to happen. It is important to have faith in God and each other everything is going to be just fine.
     
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    Sorry I didn't get to meet your friend; if they're worthy they will be brought back at the Resurrection... I was alive tho, so he was right - born 6, 12, 1977.

    Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).
    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    What does that mean for you? It's just empty words in some quote of some scripture. Meaningless idols as far as I am concerned.
     
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