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Featured Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

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  1. Skywalker

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    Baal is not a Savior either. Is Jesus A Knock-Off Of Pagan Gods? 15 “Dying & Rising” Pagan Savior Gods Debunked | Reasons for Jesus

     
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    A puppy can love his owner. A robot cannot.
     
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    It's like if Jesus didn't suffer on the cross for our sins, the value of redemption wouldn't exist.
     
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    That is another huge flaw with Christianity. You keep shooting yourself in the foot.
     
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    A true "So what?" argument. You might as well own up to the fact that you are wrong.
     
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    Can a robot truly love its owner? There's no what's it like to be a robot.
     
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    Baal dying and returning to life had to do with the role of a living king, not a Savior. The concept of the holiness of God didn't exist in the religion of Baal. It was a religion of rituals.
     
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    What would be the meaning of Jesus taking our place on the cross if he didn't also suffer on the cross?
     
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    Not agreeing with the belief of redemption is a different issue from it making sense that Jesus would die to redeem us without suffering.

    The belief of redemption also lines up with laws about crimes having consequences. Our sins separate us from God. We cannot stand in the presence of a holy God with our sins not being covered.
     
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    There is no text within the religion of Baal that mentions Baal being a Savior.
     
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    Christianity is unique in its belief about God coming to save people. Osiris didn't die on the cross for his creation. Jesus dying on the cross was the deepest expression of love that he had for his creation.
     
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    The Psalms reflected the troubles of David mentioned throughout the Bible. Why do many of the psalms of David sound so sad? | GotQuestions.org

     
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    Pagan gods did not sacrifice themselves to save us from our own destruction. God can't just forgive us because that would be an insult to holiness.
     
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    They didn't need to. They were smarter than that.
     
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    Yes, too bad that you do not understand that that is not a good thing.
     
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    Really? Show me a link to where you are studying Egyptian mythology?

    Judaism was obsessed with sin and original sin. So when they took the savior god myths for them sin was a much bigger part of the story. Your little points about how each religion had small changes is completely irrelevant. People did not go to heaven in Judaism. They did not go to hell or have Satan at was with God. There was no resurrection for all good members at the end of the world where sinners burn up and many many other things. Judiasm is a mythology and it added other myths during the 2ndtemple period.
    What changes they did or did not make doesn't mean anything.

    West Side Story is a remake of Romeo and Juliet. You could argue about the differences all day and it still doesn't change the fact that the writers wanted to write an updated version of the story and borrowed the fiction and created a modern version. Movies, books and religion are all made-up stories.

    But Hinduism has sin?

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    The way to cancel your sins in Hinduism

    All the punishments are only for reformation of the soul and not for revenge. The hell is created by God not with vengeance against sinners but due to kindness to reform the souls. God is always kind to reform the souls, which are His children since the souls are created by Him.
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    Go to 5:10 and the scholar gives a basic overview of what was taken by Jewish scribes.
     
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    Heaven in the OT is not the modern version where all good members go. It was he place where God dwelled:

    "There is almost no mention in the Hebrew Bible of Heaven as a possible afterlife destination for human beings, who are instead described as "resting" in Sheol (Genesis 25:7–9, Deuteronomy 34:6, 1 Kings 2:10)."

    The heaven taken from the Persians is the modern version where all souls go. Just like the modern version of Satan as an eternal enemy of God was taken from them. As well as monotheism. Professor Fransesca Stravopolou explains in that video I linked to that during the Persian invasion Judaism was re-tooled to become monotheistic and the past invasions of Israel was blamed on being polytheistic.




    "It is generally believed by scholars that the ancient Iranian prophet Zarathustra (known in Persian as Zartosht and Greek as Zoroaster) lived sometime between 1500 and 1000 BC. Prior to Zarathustra, the ancient Persians worshipped the deities of the old Irano-Aryan religion, a counterpart to the Indo-Aryan religion that would come to be known as Hinduism. Zarathustra, however, condemned this practice, and preached that God alone – Ahura Mazda, the Lord of Wisdom – should be worshipped. In doing so, he not only contributed to the great divide between the Iranian and Indian Aryans, but arguably introduced to mankind its first monotheistic faith."

    The idea of a single god was not the only essentially Zoroastrian tenet to find its way into other major faiths, most notably the ‘big three’: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The concepts of Heaven and Hell, Judgment Day and the final revelation of the world, and angels and demons all originated in the teachings of Zarathustra, as well as the later canon of Zoroastrian literature they inspired. Even the idea of Satan is a fundamentally Zoroastrian one; in fact, the entire faith of Zoroastrianism is predicated on the struggle between God and the forces of goodness and light (represented by the Holy Spirit, Spenta Manyu) and Ahriman, who presides over the forces of darkness and evil. While man has to choose to which side he belongs, the religion teaches that ultimately, God will prevail, and even those condemned to hellfire will enjoy the blessings of Paradise (an Old Persian word).
    How did Zoroastrian ideas find their way into the Abrahamic faiths and elsewhere? According to scholars, many of these concepts were introduced to the Jews of Babylon upon being liberated by the Persian emperor Cyrus the Great. They trickled into mainstream Jewish thought,
     
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