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Featured Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SeekingAllTruth, Dec 25, 2020.

  1. Skywalker

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    Christians didn't reinterpret the prophecies, because what are the odds that Jesus could have arranged events to have met those prophecies, or could have been born into them? The Prophecies About Jesus

     
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    The Christian doctrine on the Messiah is more consistent than other beliefs. Christians believe that there is one Messiah who will have a second coming. That is more consistent than either there are two Messiahs or the same Messiah will fulfill all of the prophecies in one coming.
     
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    Lie? I didn't say anything about lying.
    If the story is true, I think his motives were pure. He wanted to save his disciples.
     
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    Why would his motives be pure if he wasn't God? Psychologists find the idea that Jesus had mental illness doubtful, and its questionable if a person's motives are pure even then-troubled is a more accurate term.
     
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    You're leaving out the part where Jesus says, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”

    So God's attempt at reconciliation to us doesn't come without a price, right? It'd be nice if God just said "You're forgiven. I'm God and I can forgive anyone without any demands for repayment." Now that's a God I can get behind. But this thing of God being like a stick-up artist in an alley putting a gun to my head and saying, "Sure you're free to reject my Son. I gave you free will. But if you exercise that free will to reject him your brains are going to be all over this sidewalk." That's not what I call free will. I call that coercion.
     
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    Jesus dying on the cross offered the gift of salvation. A person has to accept a gift to receive it.
     
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    I don't give a fig about God's holiness. Far as I'm concerned that's just an idea the Jews and the church invented as part of the whole "You have to believe in Jesus or God will be forced against His will to send you to hell" pitch.
     
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    I don't have to accept a gift if I don't want it. I told you, the whole "Jesus died for my sins" thing is just nonsense far as I'm concerned.
     
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    And sometimes they don't.
     
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    People don't go to hell because they are sinners they go to hell because they reject Christ.
     
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    God never told me that even little mistakes go against His laws. I don't drink that kool-Aid.
     
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    That's just a detail-the big picture is that judges punish those who break the laws.What is hell? It is eternal fire and punishment for non-Christians | carm.org

     
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    People go to hell because God sends them to hell.
     
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    All sin separates people from God. Some sins are greater than others. All sins are not equal. | carm.org

     
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    God doesn't send people to hell. People send themselves to hell. God made a way for everyone through Christ, but people can either accept or reject the gift of salvation.
     
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    Jesus sweat blood in the Garden of Gethsemane. There didn't have to be his disciples eye witnessing it-it was recorded by them and they witnessed him after he came back to life. Why did Jesus sweat blood in the Garden of Gethsemane? | GotQuestions.org

     
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    That's just a way to whitewash God of all blame for His sending people to hell. God is the one who says, "Depart from me into eternal flames." If that's not sending someone to hell I don't know what is.
     
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    Jesus talked more about hell than heaven. Universalism is not in the Bible. What is hell? It is eternal fire and punishment for non-Christians | carm.org

     
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