why did they want to crucify jesus

[Sabour]

It is written in the Word of YHWH that His one and only begotten Son will be crucified.

So as YHWH is the only entity that can alter His Word, only He can change the word 'crucified' to something else. As 'crucified' was not altered to anything else, satan and his mob had no options but to comply with the rules that YHWH had written.

YHWH made the greatest sacrifice anyone ever has...the death of Yahushua on the cross...just to have you with Him. He wants to purify you...don't be afraid to let Him.

Sorry I am a person who is trying to follow the teaching Jesus peace be upon him. His true teachings. Not the "someone had to die for your sins" version. Actually I am trying to follow "keep the commandments "

 

[Sabour]

We are all cursed. Who here thinks any means of death is not cursed? "Dying, you will die," God says.

We will die, in this world. Dying will just be the beginning of our life.

 

[Sleeppy]

Sorry I am a person who is trying to follow the teaching Jesus peace be upon him. His true teachings. Not the "someone had to die for your sins" version. Actually I am trying to follow "keep the commandments "

Then follow them.

Isaiah 53

Who would have believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the LORD been revealed?

For he shot up right forth as a sapling, and as a root out of a dry ground; he had no form nor comeliness, that we should look upon him, nor beauty that we should delight in him.

He was despised, and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.


But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed.

 

[Sabour]

Then follow them.

Isaiah 53

Who would have believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the LORD been revealed?

For he shot up right forth as a sapling, and as a root out of a dry ground; he had no form nor comeliness, that we should look upon him, nor beauty that we should delight in him.

He was despised, and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.


But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed.

I said his true teachings. The interpretation coming from these verses are not the "true teachings" I am talking about

 

[Sleeppy]

I said his true teachings. The interpretation coming from these verses are not the "true teachings" I am talking about

What is the true teaching in these verses?

 

[Sabour]

What is the true teaching in these verses?

It is not that easy to know the true teaching. There are different versions and we see many variations between different versions.

However, the interpretation which people generally take out from this verse is contradicted by other verses.

 

[Sleeppy]

It is not that easy to know the true teaching. There are different versions and we see many variations between different versions.

However, the interpretation which people generally take out from this verse is contradicted by other verses.

If you are Muslim, you know that there are millions of martyrs who have died doing Allah's will. Did these men of God leave you without an inheritance?

 

[outhouse]

tensions were high during Passover.

This was a big money making event for Romans. Caiaphas and Pilate demanded peace.


So when a Galilean trouble maker causes a disturbance, he is made an example of exactly what not to do.

 

[Flankerl]

Last time i checked crucifiction never was jewish and some Empire who was run by some people calling themselves "Romans" ran the whole show.


But cant be because it makes so much sense that the Rome which completely destroyed Carthage and salted the area around it would bow down to a few people calling themselves Jews in the eastern part of the Roman Empire.


Like never mind reality guys. We did it. You are welcome.

 

[Sabour]

If you are Muslim, you know that there are millions of martyrs who have died doing Allah's will. Did these men of God leave you without an inheritance?

I don't know what exactly you meant by martyrs, but if they died doing Allah's will, than I hope I will be one of them.

This world is not a way to measure things. Our reward is paradise. This life is a short test.

6:32 And in no way is the present life (Literally: the lowly life, i.e., the life of this world) (anything) except a plaything and a diversion, and the Last Residence is indeed most charitable for the ones who are pious. Do you then not consider?

I know a person who is doing Allah's will dies happy and in peace with himself. Do all people having millions of dollars and everything they wanted in their life die happy?

 

[Sabour]

I don't know what exactly you meant by martyrs, but if they died doing Allah's will, than I hope I will be one of them.

This world is not a way to measure things. Our reward is paradise. This life is a short test.

6:32 And in no way is the present life (Literally: the lowly life, i.e., the life of this world) (anything) except a plaything and a diversion, and the Last Residence is indeed most charitable for the ones who are pious. Do you then not consider?

I know a person who is doing Allah's will dies happy and in peace with himself. Do all people having millions of dollars and everything they wanted in their life die happy?

2:155 Sahih International
And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient,

 

[fantome profane]

why putting on cross 4 few hours, when next day was sabbath. Pilate knew Jesus was right. He tried his best.

Why would Pilate, or any Roman, care about the Sabbath?

 

[factseeker88]

Because it was all predetermined by God so that he could forgive humankind. Everything else is outside of the equation.

Apparently when you're a divine superbeing you have to engage in these elaborate setups to forgive people?

We were supposed to be created by god in his own image, if so, God had a conscience the same as us, If so, killing his own son must have cost him many sleepless nights.

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[CynthiaCypher]

He was sentence to death for a political crime. He committed treason against the state and in Roman law that merited death by crucifixion. He was a revolutionary who was teaching the non-violent overthrow of the state. He was also advocating a revolutionary message. He was a proto anarcho-socialist teacher and his message was viewed as threatening to both state and religious establishment. That's why they killed him. Treason.

 

[steeltoes]

He was sentence to death for a political crime. He committed treason against the state and in Roman law that merited death by crucifixion. He was a revolutionary who was teaching the non-violent overthrow of the state. He was also advocating a revolutionary message. He was a proto anarcho-socialist teacher and his message was viewed as threatening to both state and religious establishment. That's why they killed him. Treason.

Well, in that case someone should have told Pilate.


Mark 15:13 They shouted back, “Crucify Him!” 14 But Pilate said to them, “Why, what evil has He done?” But they shouted all the more, “Crucify Him!”

 

[outhouse]

Well, in that case someone should have told Pilate.


Mark 15:13 They shouted back, “Crucify Him!” 14 But Pilate said to them, “Why, what evil has He done?” But they shouted all the more, “Crucify Him!”

Most scholars view that as a literary creation

 

[outhouse]

He was sentence to death for a political crime. He committed treason against the state and in Roman law that merited death by crucifixion. He was a revolutionary who was teaching the non-violent overthrow of the state. He was also advocating a revolutionary message. He was a proto anarcho-socialist teacher and his message was viewed as threatening to both state and religious establishment. That's why they killed him. Treason.

I agree with most of that but,,,,,,,,,,,,

With almost a half million people in attanedance.

Any teacher would have been invisible.


Actions, were however noticeable.

Causing a disturbnace of any kind would have been a death sentance, making an example of hwta not to do at Passover.

 

[fantome profane]

He was sentence to death for a political crime. He committed treason against the state and in Roman law that merited death by crucifixion. He was a revolutionary who was teaching the non-violent overthrow of the state. He was also advocating a revolutionary message. He was a proto anarcho-socialist teacher and his message was viewed as threatening to both state and religious establishment. That's why they killed him. Treason.

Most likely. At least this fits with what we know historically about that period.

Well, in that case someone should have told Pilate.


Mark 15:13 They shouted back, “Crucify Him!” 14 But Pilate said to them, “Why, what evil has He done?” But they shouted all the more, “Crucify Him!”

This is just not credible. It doesn't fit with what we know about the Roman occupation of Israel.

 

[steeltoes]

Most likely. At least this fits with what we know historically about that period.


This is just not credible. It doesn't fit with what we know about the Roman occupation of Israel.

That may be the case but it is not the point. The point is that people are speculating about Jesus based on this story that is not considered to be reliable history. Where is the cred in that?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I agree with most of that but,,,,,,,,,,,,

With almost a half million people in attanedance.

Any teacher would have been invisible.


Actions, were however noticeable.

Causing a disturbnace of any kind would have been a death sentance, making an example of hwta not to do at Passover.

Well I think Jesus' Occupy the Temple protest did exactly that. That was the straw that broke the camels back for the establishment and showed them that this guy was serious business and not just some fly-by-night preacher. That he was going to mix action with his words.