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why did they want to crucify jesus

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Sabour, Jun 7, 2014.

  1. Sabour

    Sabour Well-Known Member

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    So I was searching the internet for an answer to this question.

    Why there was a need to crucify Jesus peace be upon him.

    Couldn't they just have just killed him.


    According to what I found, it all begins with Jesus peace be upon him saying that he came to fulfill the law.

    According to the law, everything that is crucified would be cursed.

    Deuteronomy 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

    So being able to crucify Jesus peace be upon him would disprove who he was because if he did come to fulfill the law, he can't be cursed by that law.

    This is a video that explains it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMat9Iz8dPE

    Thoughts please on that and especially on why do you believe they wanted to crucify Jesus.
     
  2. Mycroft

    Mycroft Ministry of Serendipity

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    Because it was all predetermined by God so that he could forgive humankind. Everything else is outside of the equation.

    Apparently when you're a divine superbeing you have to engage in these elaborate setups to forgive people?
     
  3. Gjallarhorn

    Gjallarhorn N'yog-Sothep

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    It was to send a message that religious heresy was not tolerated, or so it appears to me.
     
  4. Reverend Rick

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    Maybe they killed him because he was a carpenter
     
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  5. Mycroft

    Mycroft Ministry of Serendipity

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    Well, from a historical point of view there could be two reasons (provided he existed purely in the historical sense):

    1) Claiming to be the Son of God when he was not.

    2) Stirring up dissidence against the Roman Empire.

    I think these two things might have induced the romans to kill him in such a public way as to make an example of him.
     
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  6. Farrukh

    Farrukh Angry Bird

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    Crucifixion is most painful execution of culprit.
    As a Muslim, I believe that Crucifixion of Jesus(pbuh) never occurred,
    Those Jews who accepted Jesus(pbuh) as prophet were true believers(they were Muslims of their time),
    rest of the Jews who had rejected him become disbeliever, Jews(who rejected him) were obviously enemy of Jesus(pbuh) and wanted to kill him, when they tried to get him, God almighty took Jesus(pbuh) from earth and saved him, they crucified someone else and they were very confused about their claims of Crucifixion of Jesus and Holy Quran mentions about their confusion.
     
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  7. Farrukh

    Farrukh Angry Bird

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    this thing makes no sense, why God needs Crucifixion of his son for forgiving human beings?
     
  8. Gjallarhorn

    Gjallarhorn N'yog-Sothep

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    Why would God need to crucify someone else and save Jesus? :shrug:
     
  9. Sabour

    Sabour Well-Known Member

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    But there are some contradictions there. Like if Jesus peace be upon him was crucified, that would disprove who he was. So being crucified doesn't really help the case.

    We can't say that everything else is out of the equation because there is a certain way in which things work. God can do everything doesn't say that God would do anything. It would be like saying I saw an elephant flying. But do elephants fly? Yeah if God wants the elephant to fly, it would fly.


    The last sentence is true, but does it happen ?
     
  10. Farrukh

    Farrukh Angry Bird

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    I believe God almighty never rejects prayers of prophets, most of the prayers of prophets were answered immediately and many were answered with some delay. if you check holy scriptures, you will find that Jesus prayed for his life

    "During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission." Hebrews 5:7

    why should God reject prayers of Jesus pbuh?
     
  11. Thana

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    I'm not sure I understand.. The passage says not to let the body remain upon the tree, For he that is hanged is accursed of God.

    Is this not talking about hanging? I mean.. Why are you saying it's talking about Crucifixion? Is there any evidence of this? I'd like to know so please link some sources if you have them.
     
  12. Sabour

    Sabour Well-Known Member

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    First, in the bible itself there is a contradiction. At some parts the Crucifixion is on a tree, at others it is on a cross.

    Taking the information from the bible:

    Acts 5
    29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
    30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
    31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    Acts 10
    38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
    39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
    40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

    Acts 13
    28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
    29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
    30 But God raised him from the dead:

    1 Peter 2
    23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
    25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
     
  13. Farrukh

    Farrukh Angry Bird

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    so everybody convinced with my answer!?
     
  14. Thana

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    It's not a contradiction, It's just a different translation.

    Also, You have to ask yourself whether or not an innocent, god fearing man who was crucified would still be accursed by God, Or if that passage meant that those whose actions justified the crucifixion were accursed by God.

    If that is so, Then it's not the act of Crucifixion, But the actions leading to it, that explains why one would be 'accursed by God'.
     
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    It is written in the Word of YHWH that His one and only begotten Son will be crucified.

    So as YHWH is the only entity that can alter His Word, only He can change the word 'crucified' to something else. As 'crucified' was not altered to anything else, satan and his mob had no options but to comply with the rules that YHWH had written.

    YHWH made the greatest sacrifice anyone ever has...the death of Yahushua on the cross...just to have you with Him. He wants to purify you...don't be afraid to let Him.
     
  16. DawudTalut

    DawudTalut Peace be upon you.

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    Peace be on you.

    Death of Hazrat Jesus (a.s.) is a controversial affair with the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims.

    == The Jews believe that Jesus died on the cross because he was a false prophet. In this Connection they quote the Bible.

    "And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree" is "the accursed of God". (Deut.21:22-23).


    On the strength of their belief that Jesus was a false prophet the Jews, Particularly the Pharisees of his time brought serious political charges against him alleging that he was disloyal to the Roman Emperor, and that he claimed himself to be the King of the Jews.


    == The Christians also believe that Jesus was hanged on the cross and died an accursed death. Says Paul:

    "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree". (Galatians 3:13).


    == According to Ahmadiyya Muslim, the Holy Quran declares that Jesus (a.s.) did not die on the Cross. God saved him from death by crucifixion in the same way as He saved His dear ones from tribulations.


    [​IMG]


    [Did not Jonah the Prophet come out alive from the belly of the whale? The fact of the matter is that Jesus Christ only fell into a swoon on the Cross, but when he was taken down from it, he recovered then migrated to find and meet other tribes of Bani Israil. His mother Mary accompanied him in migration and hence on route a town in north Pakistan is called Murree. After a very successful ministry, he passed away as a natural death at the good old age of 120 in Khashmir. more at Jesus in India (alislam.org)]

    More points:
    https://www.alislam.org/library/dcross.html
    https://www.alislam.org/library/books/christianity_facts_to_fiction/chapter_5.html
     
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  17. fantome profane

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    Maybe the Romans were just trying to fill their crucifixion quota for that week.
     
  18. DawudTalut

    DawudTalut Peace be upon you.

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    why putting on cross 4 few hours, when next day was sabbath. Pilate knew Jesus was right. He tried his best.
     
  19. Sabour

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    It is not a different translation.

    Here is a link to my source Was Jesus crucified on a tree (according to Peter), cross (according to others), or never got crucified (according to Islam)?
     
  20. Sleeppy

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    We are all cursed. Who here thinks any means of death is not cursed? "Dying, you will die," God says.
     
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