Why did these kids die?

[Ancient Soul]

And a lot of name calling is always a terrif analysis.

I see that this forum doesn't have any "nuts", "clueless", or any other such judgits to give you.

The poster stated some well known facts, there was no name calling.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

Redirect Notice

Guatemalan boy who died in US custody had the flu, medical examiner says - CNN

Tragic occurrences. Worse still, because of the circumstances, these deaths by their very nature become political.

Recently, Trump has seemed to give an answer to this OP title question. His answer is democrats. He blames the deaths of children at the border on democrats not giving him his wall money.

Do you agree?

Firstly, we don't know the children in this caravan are the actual children of those who have them in their custody.
Secondly, it's a political ploy old as the institution itself.
What fit parent travels with a sick child in order to try to break into a country?
Kids getting sick on the trail is a plus. If they die while being repelled at our border, it makes the U.S look heartless. That's a plus for the Democrats that say, let everybody in!
But do you really want a kid with the flu to come into this country as they would have before? Risking infection of those north of the border with their virus?

Keep in mind our border is also the gateway for cartel traffic, the Satanist worshiping gang, MS-13, and sex traffickers. Which also goes back to the children in the caravan not necessarily being the offspring of the adults that have them in their custody.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

So then what are your plans to get Traitor Trump impeached and thrown into jail?

What grounds constitute the label, traitor?

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

I agree that TDS is real.

@ this point it has escalated to the status of terminal, with the chronic side effect of mental illness and delusions.

You know, some say this whole anti-Trump propaganda agenda intends to ultimately impeach both Trump and Pence, after nominating Joe Biden as Speaker of the House. In which case Biden becomes president.

Which is why early on after the election of 2016 when asked if he would run for POTUS in 2020 Biden said, not interested.

Though word is HRC is going to give it another shot.
She can't win because she doesn't qualify for the security clearance necessary to be POTUS.
But in her case it's the $$$$$ that compels the action. Not the expectation of an actual victory. If anyone knows she's corrupt to the marrow, it is HRC herself.

 

[Revoltingest]

Seriously?

You really have to ask that question?

Don't you know that's Trump's classic MO, to blame SOMEONE ELSE on his failures or evilness.

The child should have been taken care of, but the Trump administration instills a total disregard for the welfare of the immigrants upon all the border guards and everyone else involved in imprisoning them. That, and it's just plain cruel to separate the children from their parents. It has also been reported that there is NO background check required for anyone working at the immigrant concentration camps, so many of the people there may even want to harm them.

Seriously?

You really have to ask that question?

Don't you know that's Trump's classic MO, to blame SOMEONE ELSE on his failures or evilness.

The child should have been taken care of, but the Trump administration instills a total disregard for the welfare of the immigrants upon all the border guards and everyone else involved in imprisoning them. That, and it's just plain cruel to separate the children from their parents. It has also been reported that there is NO background check required for anyone working at the immigrant concentration camps, so many of the people there may even want to harm them.

Not looking to pick a fight here, but....
Given our current immigration laws, how would you change things.....
- At the border
- Illegals already in the country.

 

[Audie]

@ this point it has escalated to the status of terminal, with the chronic side effect of mental illness and delusions.

You know, some say this whole anti-Trump propaganda agenda intends to ultimately impeach both Trump and Pence, after nominating Joe Biden as Speaker of the House. In which case Biden becomes president.

Which is why early on after the election of 2016 when asked if he would run for POTUS in 2020 Biden said, not interested.

Though word is HRC is going to give it another shot.
She can't win because she doesn't qualify for the security clearance necessary to be POTUS.
But in her case it's the $$$$$ that compels the action. Not the expectation of an actual victory. If anyone knows she's corrupt to the marrow, it is HRC herself.

Whatever your deal is, we are not fellow- travellers.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

Whatever your deal is, we are not fellow- travellers.

Thank God.
Hostile much?
Maybe it's that you don't know what TDS means.

 

[Audie]

Not looking to pick a fight here, but....
Given our current immigration laws, how would you change things.....
- At the border
- Illegals already in the country.

Not to butt in but, enforcing existing laws would be
a great start.

Or change them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not to butt in but, enforcing existing laws would be
a great start.

Or change them.

I welcome all alternatives.
It's more interesting than some of the fulminating we've been enduring.

 

[Audie]

I welcome all alternatives.
It's more interesting than some of the fulminating we've been enduring.

Like enforcing existing laws, as a alternative to
not?

( "a alternative", eliminating the senseless and inefficacious
"n" of "an", and, alternately, promoting the noble,
euphonious glottal stop)

 

[Shad]

Redirect Notice

Guatemalan boy who died in US custody had the flu, medical examiner says - CNN

Tragic occurrences. Worse still, because of the circumstances, these deaths by their very nature become political.

Recently, Trump has seemed to give an answer to this OP title question. His answer is democrats. He blames the deaths of children at the border on democrats not giving him his wall money.

Do you agree?

Trump's answer is just a wrong as those blaming Trump for their deaths.. The parents are at fault.

 

[Revoltingest]

Like enforcing existing laws, as a alternative to
not?

( "a alternative", eliminating the senseless and inefficacious
"n" of "an", and, alternately, promoting the noble,
euphonious glottal stop)

For those who oppose separating families, I wonder how they detain them.
And if this is bad, why do we separate citizens from their families when they
commit crimes?
I'm just not seeing them offer anything to keep illegals out.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

You know, during the same period of time a number of American children died but I do not hear protests and demonstrations about them. Are we really more concerned about children from some foreign country who are already sick when they enter the country than we are about American children who get sick and die?

 

[fantome profane]

For those who oppose separating families, I wonder how they detain them.
And if this is bad, why do we separate citizens from their families when they
commit crimes?
I'm just not seeing them offer anything to keep illegals out.

The much maligned “catch and release” policy really wasn’t so bad.

 

[BSM1]

The only thing you do not know is what they were immigrating from.

Would you blame a North Korean fleeing NK with their children knowing that if they get caught, they could all be killed? I'm not saying this is equivalent but again, you do not know why they are immigrating so your answer is very premature.

If it's not equivalent then it's not relevant. Why bother bringing it up? It seems you're just trying to solidify your moral position.

 

[suncowiam]

If it's not equivalent then it's not relevant. Why bother bringing it up? It seems you're just trying to solidify your moral position.

There is no position to qualify if you cannot prove your premise.

Decision making is deciding between different scenarios. You did not know all the scenarios to suggest the best decision. It's simple logic.

BTW, equivalence does not equate to relevance. It was relevant, just maybe not equivalent. Possibly, you'll understand this someday.

 

[Curious George]

Firstly, we don't know the children in this caravan are the actual children of those who have them in their custody.
Secondly, it's a political ploy old as the institution itself.
What fit parent travels with a sick child in order to try to break into a country?
Kids getting sick on the trail is a plus. If they die while being repelled at our border, it makes the U.S look heartless. That's a plus for the Democrats that say, let everybody in!
But do you really want a kid with the flu to come into this country as they would have before? Risking infection of those north of the border with their virus?

Keep in mind our border is also the gateway for cartel traffic, the Satanist worshiping gang, MS-13, and sex traffickers. Which also goes back to the children in the caravan not necessarily being the offspring of the adults that have them in their custody.

I think that we will have some disagreement.

But you think Trump blaming the democrats is a ploy as old as the institution itself? While that may be true, that does not excuse Trump's choice.

 

[Curious George]

You know, during the same period of time a number of American children died but I do not hear protests and demonstrations about them. Are we really more concerned about children from some foreign country who are already sick when they enter the country than we are about American children who get sick and die?

Absolutely not. I am also concerned about U.S. citizens that died in police custody and children who died or were harmed once CPS/DHS/DCFS took custody. The difference is that Trump did not blame their death on democrats so it is not related to the discussion point here. You want to try to take a crack at the OP, though?

 

[Curious George]

Trump's answer is just a wrong as those blaming Trump for their deaths.. The parents are at fault.

While I appreciate that answer, I am not so sure that I agree with decision to lay blame solely at the parents feet.

 

[Ancient Soul]

Not looking to pick a fight here, but....
Given our current immigration laws, how would you change things.....
- At the border
- Illegals already in the country.

That's where it gets tricky.

For starters it's way to expensive and restrictive for other nationals to become American citizens, which needs to become more fair. As most immigrants are fleeing oppressive Dictatorships and maybe facing death, gangs, collapsed governments, etc, so are desperate and maybe fleeing for their very lives, so probably don't have much money.

And "illegals" actually have more of a legal right to become a citizen because there is a law saying they have to already be in this country to apply for citizenship.