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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by lukethethird, Feb 16, 2021.

  1. lukethethird

    lukethethird Well-Known Member

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    ...place the destruction of the temple during the time of Pilate?

    37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.

    38 The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.



    Pontius Pilate was the Roman prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 CE)


    The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 CE was the decisive event of the First Jewish–Roman War, in which the Roman army captured the city of Jerusalem and destroyed both the city and its Temple. wiki


    Why the discrepancy?
     
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    Just because the curtain tore doesn't mean the temple was destroyed. The temple was still in operation until it was destroyed in 70 CE.

    Acts 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.
     
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  3. lukethethird

    lukethethird Well-Known Member

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    Matthew describes an earthquake;

    51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
     
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    Eyewitness accounts. :rolleyes:

    I think there is enough evidence by now to know "eyewitness" accounts are not that reliable. That's not to say these folks were lying. It's just the way our brain works.
    Maybe an earthquake happened a month later, and the mind tends the muddle the facts when asked about it at a later time.

    The problem was is that somewhere along the line people decided the accounts in the Bible were God's inerrant Word. Convenient to the narrative they needed to be told I'd suppose. They were all just humans, the eyewitnesses and the Apostles. As prone to making mistakes as anyone else.
     
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    I think the situation is that they did write correctly since it was within their lifetime. Rather, people 2,000 years later want to rewrite history.

    It was an earthquake at the time of Jesus' death.
     
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    So are you saying the Bible was altered at some later date to introduce these contradictions?
     
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    Obviously not. :) I'm saying that if you want it to be a contradiction, any excuse will be good enough. :D As they say, excuses are like armpits... everyone has two of them and they both stink. :D
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Pontius Pilate was governor around 26-37 AD. Not 26-36 CE

    That might explain another discrepancy.


    Who Was Pontius Pilate? | Live Science
     
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  9. KenS

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    Not a discrepancy in my view since the Bible doesn't say when he died

    According to the encyclopedia Britanica it was 36 CE. If there is a discrepancy it would be by historians.

    Pontius-Pilate
     
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    Or if you don't want it to be a contradiction, any explanation will do. :D
    My original comment was about the belief of people rising from the grave and walking about. If this had occurred I'd imagine this would have been well recorded. Not something that would be only mentioned in the Bible. And, it is not a very believable story. Folks rising from the grave.

    Because it is written in the Bible, is this something you automatically believe was a real historical event?

    I have trouble believing what is written in the newspaper about the prior day's events let alone something that was written 2000 years ago by eyewitnesses recorded who knows how long after the event took place.
     
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    I can't really figure out the discrepancy you refer to, or the one the OP is referencing.

    Jesus Died April 7, AD 30

    It was in the middle of the last heptad that began in 27AD.
     
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    First of all, your posts below have nothing to do with "contradictions" but rather confirmations.

    Here you have presented a no win situation. If you won't believe what the newspapers says today there is absolutely nothing that would be enough about 2,000 years ago.

    For that matter, you might as well as say the Declaration of Independence is a fabrication too because only those who believe in it wrote it. ;)

    I suppose you wanted someone right there at that moment to take a photograph for memory sake (since everyone knew it was going to happen at that specific moment). USA Today was there with the reporter to make sure it was recorded.

    Who did you want to record it? They were trying to hide it and put out the fire not confirm it and establish it.

    Not at the beginning... but eventually one recognizes the veracity. IMO.

    However, because it was written it automatically is false?

    No problem with you being an atheist but because you don't believe it certainly doesn't make it false. You certainly haven't given any proof that it is false. ;)
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    For one thing, it doesn't say that the Temple itself was destroyed upon Jesus' death. It says the curtain was ripped from top to bottom.
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Oh dear, and here I keep talking about no eyewitnesses to what is considered as evolution or the beginning of life on earth.
     
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    I'm only presenting a reason to be skeptical. Where one goes from there is up to whim.


    There is a lot of things written about many different religions. Plenty among each certain of their veracity. Do you think they are all equally true? Since they speak of spiritual truths I can't give proof of any of them being false. Can you?
     
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    ok, no cameras or human eyewitnesses to the beginning and what is said to be evolution of life on earth.
     
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    There's is an overwhelming abundance of planets being observed through various stages of evolution as well as a fossil record of early rocks on earth itself. The fossil record also records life going back billions of years. So we have a biological record and a record of the earth itself in stages of evolution.
     
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    The temple curtain being torn is symbolic meaning that the temple is open to Jews and gentiles alike, so as long as the temple remains operational as it did until 70C.E., the symbolism is meaningless. Mark's gospel was written post 70CE.
     
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    The New Testament records that the Temple was still being used by the disciples of Christ during the days of the Early Church - which was after His death and Resurrection.

    There is no reason to assume that the account of Mark - or any other Gospel account - is describing the destruction of the Temple.
     
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    See post #18

    The second Jewish temple was not open to gentiles.
     
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