Why did God send Scriptures after another Scripture?

[Hockeycowboy]

But Quran explicitly says Muhammad is the Seal of Prophets. When did Jesus say, He is the Last Prophet?

Jesus didn’t necessarily say it....the Bible does. Hebrews 1:1.

To answer the OP,
D. None of the above.

Really, the Bible provides every answer we need, for the times we’re living in.

The laws given (for Christians — actually for everyone — being loving & kind, slow to speak but quick to hear, even prohibiting fornication), are sufficient. They build strong relationships, families, and society.

The prophecies we find in its pages, the ones fulfilled strengthen our faith, while the ones now being fulfilled let us perceive where we are in the stream of time, realizing that soon, ‘God’s will, will be done.’ Matthew 6:9-10.

No other writings are needed, with an accurate knowledge of what the Bible really teaches. And believe it or not, a big part of that, is recognizing what it teaches about the condition of the dead.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Based on the Quran, which one of these statements are true:

A. The reason that God kept sending down Scriptures so many times, is because, everytime People eventually, divided into sects, and misinterpreted the Message of their messenger, so, Allah had to send another messenger to give the original message to correct misinterpretations and to unite them. This process continued from Adam, the first messenger, and continued to Noah, Abraham, Moses Jesus, and Muhammad, the seal of Prophets.

B. The reason that Allah kept sending down Scriptures, is because the Laws and teachings of God are suitable only for a certain period. Once the period was passed, people needed a different set of Laws and teachings in accordance with exigencies of the Age they lived in. Thus, God sent a Messenger to them with a New Law.

C. Both A and B

D. None of the above.

E. Others, please explain.

E. The reason scriptures keep changing is the reality, while having objective truth (water conducts electricity, gravity works, etc) also has subjective truth (a person who have always been abused thinks this is all there is to life, while someone like the Buddha is trapped in limited perceptions until this reality shatters). Each scripture is a product of its founder.

Also, Muhammad was probably a psychopath.

 

[stvdv]

Based on the Quran, which one of these statements are true:

E. Others, please explain.

I think it is smartest not to "have the audacity" to claim that I know "why God does what He does"; God knows

 

[SA Huguenot]

The whole question can be answered with the following fact.
Muhammad thought that the Torah was a revelation, or scripture, that God sent from Heaven to Moses.
He did not know that the only writing YHWH commited and delivered to us humans was the 10 Commandments.
This somehow eventually created a thought that God sent 3 books to the earth.
The Torah, The Zabur (Psalms of David), and the Injiil (one book called the Gospel).

If you read the Quran and Hadith, you will find that Muhammad claimed that there was 4 books sent to mankind.
This was the mentioned Tora, Psalms of David, and the Gospel, and he added the Quran.

Well, he did not know anything about the Torrah, except for distorted versions he obviously heard from Jewish folklore.
He also said that David could recite the Psalm of David in the time it takes to saddle his horse. Totally unaware of the other 149 Psalms.
The Injill to him was another book that was sent by God to Jesus.

As time passed, the educated Muslimss tried to reconcile the differences, and contradictions between the Quran, and the other 3 books.
The only argument they could come up with was to say that the Christians corrupted the pure revelations God sent to humans.

This is why Islamic scholars today call Textual Critisizm of the Bible "evidence" that the original books sent by Allah, dont exist anymore, and the Christians wholesale corrupted what we have today.

Unfortunately, the evidence that the Bible we have today, is virtually exact to 99.98% to what Muhammad had, and the evidence in support is all the manuscripts discovered over the past 250 Years proving that the Bible was already canonised 300 years before Muhammad's birth.

Now, the Quran NEVER CLAIM THAT THE BIBLE WAS CORRUPTED, BUT EVEN TELLS MUHAMMAD TO GO TO THE CHRISTIANS IF HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE, AND ALLAH REVEALED THE TORA, PSALMS AND GOSPEL, AND NO ONE..
PLEASE NOTE...
NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE WORDS OF ALLAH.

The above is evidence that Muslims accuses their god that he was not allmighty in protecting his revelations, and they make Allah out as a liar.

I call this the nail in the Islamic coffin.

Then we had all these new religions shaping out of Islam, with little or no knowledge of the Bible and Jesus, and they again continued with the idea that there was more books sent down from heaven to mankind.

Not only in Islam, such as Drew Ali and his 7 circle quran, but the exact same as with Joseph Smith in 1825 with the Book of mormon.

The secret to unmask these people, is in Deuteronomy 18:18 to 22.
As them to give a prophecy from God, and they will give you stuff made up long after this so called prophet died.

And as for Jesus and for instance Moses, they were doing miracles daily, giving prophecies, and everyone knew what it was God speaking, and not them.
Greetings

 

[Aupmanyav]

The reason that God kept sending down Scriptures so many times, is because, everytime People eventually, divided into sects, and misinterpreted the Message of their messenger, so, Allah had to send another messenger to give the original message to correct misinterpretations and to unite them. This process continued from Adam, the first messenger, and continued to Noah, Abraham, Moses Jesus, and Muhammad, the seal of Prophets.

B. The reason that Allah kept sending down Scriptures, is because the Laws and teachings of God are suitable only for a certain period. Once the period was passed, people needed a different set of Laws and teachings in accordance with exigencies of the Age they lived in. Thus, God sent a Messenger to them with a New Law.

What a silly old man! Can't he think of something better! Doing something which he knows is bound to fail. Sent the Iranian and the Indian preacher recently.
In what way today's world is any different from Abraham's time?

 

[PruePhillip]

Based on the Quran, which one of these statements are true:

A. The reason that God kept sending down Scriptures so many times, is because, everytime People eventually, divided into sects, and misinterpreted the Message of their messenger, so, Allah had to send another messenger to give the original message to correct misinterpretations and to unite them. This process continued from Adam, the first messenger, and continued to Noah, Abraham, Moses Jesus, and Muhammad, the seal of Prophets.

B. The reason that Allah kept sending down Scriptures, is because the Laws and teachings of God are suitable only for a certain period. Once the period was passed, people needed a different set of Laws and teachings in accordance with exigencies of the Age they lived in. Thus, God sent a Messenger to them with a New Law.

C. Both A and B

D. None of the above.

E. Others, please explain.

The Mormons have received The Latest Scripture through their prophet Joseph Smith.
He read the "golden plates" literally through his hat.
And like Mohammed he claimed Jesus' ministry failed and it's all back to the Old Testament
of laws, rules, regulations, symbols and punishments.
And who knows, does anyone else know of any new new new scriptures which seek to nullify
that Jesus brought?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well Islam, Bahai and Ahmadiyyas do not agree that Jesus is God or son of God.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Well Islam, Bahai and Ahmadiyyas do not agree that Jeus is God or son of God.

I rest my case.
If any of these revelations does not claim that Jesus died on the cross, and was ressurected from death, and went to heaven where he is with YHWH as the Word of YHWH, you will never be able to place your revelaions within the collection of the Bible books.
This reduces all the other so called revelations to mere bonfire stories.

 

[February-Saturday]

E. God sent down no scriptures, they were all inked by the hands of humans who wrote about their own understandings and personal revelations. There is no official or true doctrine of God, only the writings of people.

Maybe these writings will help you come to know God, at least in the ways its authors might have intended, but that's a very different matter. Claims that any text is the authoritative text of God are either outright lies or errors made in hubris until God's own hand is the one penning the text.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

The whole question can be answered with the following fact.
Muhammad thought that the Torah was a revelation, or scripture, that God sent from Heaven to Moses.
He did not know that the only writing YHWH commited and delivered to us humans was the 10 Commandments.
This somehow eventually created a thought that God sent 3 books to the earth.
The Torah, The Zabur (Psalms of David), and the Injiil (one book called the Gospel).

If you read the Quran and Hadith, you will find that Muhammad claimed that there was 4 books sent to mankind.
This was the mentioned Tora, Psalms of David, and the Gospel, and he added the Quran.

Well, he did not know anything about the Torrah, except for distorted versions he obviously heard from Jewish folklore.
He also said that David could recite the Psalm of David in the time it takes to saddle his horse. Totally unaware of the other 149 Psalms.
The Injill to him was another book that was sent by God to Jesus.

As time passed, the educated Muslimss tried to reconcile the differences, and contradictions between the Quran, and the other 3 books.
The only argument they could come up with was to say that the Christians corrupted the pure revelations God sent to humans.

This is why Islamic scholars today call Textual Critisizm of the Bible "evidence" that the original books sent by Allah, dont exist anymore, and the Christians wholesale corrupted what we have today.

Unfortunately, the evidence that the Bible we have today, is virtually exact to 99.98% to what Muhammad had, and the evidence in support is all the manuscripts discovered over the past 250 Years proving that the Bible was already canonised 300 years before Muhammad's birth.

Now, the Quran NEVER CLAIM THAT THE BIBLE WAS CORRUPTED, BUT EVEN TELLS MUHAMMAD TO GO TO THE CHRISTIANS IF HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE, AND ALLAH REVEALED THE TORA, PSALMS AND GOSPEL, AND NO ONE..
PLEASE NOTE...
NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE WORDS OF ALLAH.

The above is evidence that Muslims accuses their god that he was not allmighty in protecting his revelations, and they make Allah out as a liar.

I call this the nail in the Islamic coffin.

Then we had all these new religions shaping out of Islam, with little or no knowledge of the Bible and Jesus, and they again continued with the idea that there was more books sent down from heaven to mankind.

Not only in Islam, such as Drew Ali and his 7 circle quran, but the exact same as with Joseph Smith in 1825 with the Book of mormon.

The secret to unmask these people, is in Deuteronomy 18:18 to 22.
As them to give a prophecy from God, and they will give you stuff made up long after this so called prophet died.

And as for Jesus and for instance Moses, they were doing miracles daily, giving prophecies, and everyone knew what it was God speaking, and not them.
Greetings

I've heard this argument in A Case For A Creator. I believe the is mostly intact (not "corrupted") but they arw usually minor edits (though Communist China is considering rewriting it to make it more politically correct; you can see now that the real danger of corruption come from outside Christianity).
China will rewrite the Bible and the Quran to 'reflect socialist values' | Daily Mail Online

The Quran, on the other hand has continuity issues. Some parts say you should not make violence and others say that you should, one part says Allah is all-knowing and you can face any direction to pray while another says you should face towards the mosque (and obviously that was rewritten too, as they now only have them facing toward that big block; this isn't idolatry or anything, right).
List of Abrogations in the Qur'an - WikiIslam

I have a similar problem, writing my novel. It's fiction, and based on a sort of sum of my ideas rather than a specific fixed event (I didn't write what I know, I wrote based on ideas, and those ideas created major revision issues).

The Bible has a specific theme, and the many writers all faithfully record this theme, even if translation does screw some things up. The Quran can't keep it together within the same volume. This happened to me because I was making things up.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

The Mormons have received The Latest Scripture through their prophet Joseph Smith.
He read the "golden plates" literally through his hat.
And like Mohammed he claimed Jesus' ministry failed and it's all back to the Old Testament
of laws, rules, regulations, symbols and punishments.
And who knows, does anyone else know of any new new new scriptures which seek to nullify
that Jesus brought?

Bahai.

But they do so quite differently. Unlike Mormons and Muslims, it isn't a simple revert to older laws. Rather it's a push for "modern" religion where everyone is unified and tolerant.

There's a problem with this. Not that Jesus did love all people. But he didn't do wishy-washy. He believed in committed religion. He mentions having "other flocks" in the parable of the Good Shepherd but there's also mention of false prophets. While most of these are "keep the old law and hate your neighbour", the other extreme is to forget that the neighbour is the one who show mercy. That is, pastors that preach the globalist message "welcoming the stranger = welcoming hostile immigrants that want to destroy your country and make it like theirs" while your own people suffer hunger/thirst/nakedness/imprisonment deeply miss the point.
Does "Welcoming the Stranger" Require Advocating for an "Open Border"?
Jesus taught abour boundaries. There were times when he said to his disciples "you do it", and times when he said to the people he healed "do it yourself." There's times when he went away to pray or rest. But his followers like to act like doormats.
Jesus Set Boundaries - Soul Shepherding
What Would Jesus Say about Setting Boundaries?
Are Christians Supposed To Be Doormats?

Christianity does not mean yielding authority to those who hate Christ. This is what Bahai teaches though, that modern tolerance is somehow identical to righteousness.

We see the fruits of this though. As a result of open border policy, we now have a global pandemic. Nice job guys!

Quench the thirsty, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, welcome the stranger, visit the prisoner. These are things you should be doing. Most of these things can be done by a shopkeeper without any open borders simply by doing their job.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The Mormons have received The Latest Scripture through their prophet Joseph Smith.
He read the "golden plates" literally through his hat.
And like Mohammed he claimed Jesus' ministry failed and it's all back to the Old Testament
of laws, rules, regulations, symbols and punishments.
And who knows, does anyone else know of any new new new scriptures which seek to nullify
that Jesus brought?

I don't think Muhammad says, Jesus ministry failed. What Muhammad said, was every Revelation is meant for a specific period of time, and every People have an end. When their End comes, God sends another Revelation to revive Religion.
He said the same thing about His own Revelation and People. He said, there will come a time, my people need another guidence. They need Mahdi to revive Religion and guide them again. He said, my people will be like Jews and Christians, they will divide Religion into many sects. The Mahdi will come, and unite People again. Muhammad was very against dividing religion into sects and denominations. He emphasized unity in Religion many times.
Muhammad taught, and reminded that, what makes Jesus, Moses and other messengers important, is They represent the Word and Will of God, who is the Spirit. The physical body of Jesus, does not matter. They did not crucify Jesus, because they only crucified and killed His physical body, not His Spirit, who is the Spirit of God. Thus, the Spirit of God, can appear as a new Messenger, to revive Religion in accordance with requirements of Age people live. Muhammad taught all Prophets are in reality One, and there is no distinction between any of Messengers of God.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Well Islam, Bahai and Ahmadiyyas do not agree that Jeus is God or son of God.

Islam according to who?

"Lo! those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and seek to make distinction between Allah and His messengers, and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and seek to choose a way in between; They are in truth (equally) unbelievers; and we have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment." Quran 4:150-151


"Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God,” He, verily, speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto." Bahaullah

 

[stvdv]

Why did God send Scriptures after another Scripture?

IMHO:
* Only God knows this. Best to ask God directly. And when He does not answer you, then accept that answer

* IF you believe in evolution it seems quite obvious that God sends a New Scripture and/or "updates" (going to a new school you buy new books too)

 

[stvdv]

Why did God send Scriptures after another Scripture?

IMHO:

Based on the Quran, which one of these statements are true:

A. The reason that God kept sending down Scriptures so many times, is because, everytime People eventually, divided into sects, and misinterpreted the Message of their messenger, so, Allah had to send another messenger to give the original message to correct misinterpretations and to unite them. This process continued from Adam, the first messenger, and continued to Noah, Abraham, Moses Jesus, and Muhammad, the seal of Prophets.

* Not true IF "seal of Prophets" means that no other Prophet will come. The Universe is ever changing, so it's absurd to make such a prediction

Based on the Quran, which one of these statements are true:

B. The reason that Allah kept sending down Scriptures, is because the Laws and teachings of God are suitable only for a certain period. Once the period was passed, people needed a different set of Laws and teachings in accordance with exigencies of the Age they lived in. Thus, God sent a Messenger to them with a New Law.

* Not entirely true. Scriptures are suitable for any period.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Lo! those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and seek to make distinction between Allah and His messengers, and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and seek to choose a way in between; They are in truth (equally) unbelievers; and we have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment." Quran 4:150-151

"Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God,” He, verily, speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto." Bahaullah

InvestigateTruth, trying to frighten me? Trying to frighten an immortal who has no birth, no death?

Ah, ah! He meant take him at his word. Don't question him. Following Mohammad. Both had the same objective. To be accepted as representatives of Allah. Nay, Bahaollah's objective was even wider. He wanted to be accepted as Allah. Good that he lived in 19th Century Iran. In 21st Century he would have been sent to a psychiatrist.

What is this speaketh/attacheth business. Why did not Shoghi translated his great-grandpa's books in normal modern English? It is not that he did not know it. Does it make what Bahaollah said truer?

He said the same thing about His own Revelation and People. He said, there will come a time, my people need another guidance. They need Mahdi to revive Religion and guide them again. He said, my people will be like Jews and Christians, they will divide Religion into many sects. The Mahdi will come, and unite People again.

Yeah, the mahdi came. Bahais take Bab to be the mahdi. That should have done the trick. Where does Bahaollah come in? Why did not your Allah wait for 800 or a thousand years after Bab to send another message? If your Allah can send a Mahdi and a manifestation at the same time, then why do you refuse to accept another Mahdi, i.e., Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Allah is all powerful, he can do whatever he wants. Do not be a sinner in front of Allah by not accepting Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Submit, don't ask questions.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

InvestigateTruth, trying to frighten me? Trying to frighten an immortal who has no birth, no death?

Ah, ah! He meant take him at his word. Don't question him. Following Mohammad. Both had the same objective. To be accepted as representatives of Allah. Nay, Bahaollah's objective was even wider. He wanted to be accepted as Allah. Good that he lived in 19th Century Iran. In 21st Century he would have been sent to a psychiatrist.

What is this speaketh/attacheth business. Why did not Shoghi translated his great-grandpa's books in normal modern English? It is not that he did not know it. Does it make what Bahaollah said truer?Yeah, the mahdi came. Bahais take Bab to be the mahdi. That should have done the trick. Where does Bahaollah come in? Why did not your Allah wait for 800 or a thousand years after Bab to send another message? If your Allah can send a Mahdi and a manifestation at the same time, then why do you refuse to accept another Mahdi, i.e., Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Allah is all powerful, he can do whatever he wants. Do not be a sinner in front of Allah by not accepting Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Submit, don't ask questions.

God told us, and always tells us, exactly what year the next Manifestation comes, and in which country and city. It is both in Quran, Bible, that The Bab was to come in year 1844, and Bahaullah to start His mission 9 years after (1853). The city that the Bab and Bahaullah were to appear, were already prophesied in Bible and islamic traditions. What year did Mirza Qolam come? Where is He mentioned in Bible and Quran, or the year? Name of Bahaullah and the Bab are in Bible, Quran and Hadithes, as well as the year their mission begins. Not only that, but also, how many years they will live, were already said to us, in the Hadithes, the Quran, the Bible.

 

[Link]

Miracles are never meant to go away. When a Guide is hidden, eventually, the darkness and falsehood become equated with truth. Miracles are meant to stay.

 

[PruePhillip]

I don't think Muhammad says, Jesus ministry failed. What Muhammad said, was every Revelation is meant for a specific period of time, and every People have an end. When their End comes, God sends another Revelation to revive Religion.
He said the same thing about His own Revelation and People. He said, there will come a time, my people need another guidence. They need Mahdi to revive Religion and guide them again. He said, my people will be like Jews and Christians, they will divide Religion into many sects. The Mahdi will come, and unite People again. Muhammad was very against dividing religion into sects and denominations. He emphasized unity in Religion many times.
Muhammad taught, and reminded that, what makes Jesus, Moses and other messengers important, is They represent the Word and Will of God, who is the Spirit. The physical body of Jesus, does not matter. They did not crucify Jesus, because they only crucified and killed His physical body, not His Spirit, who is the Spirit of God. Thus, the Spirit of God, can appear as a new Messenger, to revive Religion in accordance with requirements of Age people live. Muhammad taught all Prophets are in reality One, and there is no distinction between any of Messengers of God.

So the warlord Mohammed, who killed many people who refuse to convert, was
equal with Jesus. That's quite a stretch for people to believe - even without religious
conviction.

 

[stvdv]

So the warlord Mohammed, who killed many people who refuse to convert, was
equal with Jesus. That's quite a stretch for people to believe - even without religious
conviction.

IMHO:

My Master explained it in this way:
First Jesus was a Messenger of God, then He realized "I am the son of God" and finally He declared "I and God are one"

And according to the Koran Muhammad claimed "Jesus is not the son of God", So, I have to conclude:
Muhammad was a Messenger of God, as God revealed to Him the Koran, but He did not get to stage 2 and 3

In spirituality there are all kinds of levels of awareness. Awareness of Jesus seems to be higher than that of Muhammad. As Muhammad could not see "Jesus as the son of God", that only means that He did not reach that awareness, and definitely not the awareness "I am God"