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Why did God send Jesus at the time and place he did?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by esmith, Jan 23, 2011.

  1. esmith

    esmith Well-Known Member

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    If you believe Jesus was who you say he was, why did God send him at the time and place He did? It seems to me that the Jewish population in the area didn't seem to be having any major problems. That is unless you count the Roman occupation, which Jesus didn't seem to mind. If it was to redeem the Jewish population for their sins, that is if they accepted him as their savior, which they didn't, he missed the mark there. If it was to spread the new Christian religion among the pagans then wouldn't God have sent him to the pagans instead of the Israelites (who didn't appear to want him).

    Just a thought, I'm sure someone out there has a logical answer.
     
  2. BruceDLimber

    BruceDLimber New Member

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    Historically, God sends each Divine Messenger to the place in the world most depraved and most desparately in need of spiritual guidance!

    So the fact that a given locale was chosen for the appearance of a given Messenger, such as Jesus, is in fact no compliment whatever--indeed, quite the opposite!

    Peace,

    Bruce
     
  3. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    I think you may be down playing the problems. During the Roman occupation, we see quite a few revolts during that time. Right around the time that Jesus was born, there was a major revolt. Not too long after his death, we then see a massive revolt that changed everything in the area.

    That's not mentioning the turmoil caused by Pilate.
     
  4. Rainbow Mage

    Rainbow Mage Dharma Learner

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    From a Gnostic perspective, Jesus may have been needed by his people to teach them new perspectives and outlooks on life, since Jesus believed Judaism had become very perverted by the traditions of the Pharisees.
     
  5. astarath

    astarath New Member

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    I would suggest asking Him but I have a feeling it has something to do with society being small and well connected sharing in language.
     
  6. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    I don't think that is quite accurate. Jesus agreed with the Pharisees on many aspects.

    More so, the Pharisees were a very small group at the time. The constituted nothing close to a majority. So really, Judaism couldn't have been perverted by the Pharisees. Especially since there wasn't just a Judaism, there were what can be said as Judaisms. It was a very diverse religion.
     
  7. Tree)O(Life

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    Maybe it isnt within mankind that the answer lies, From a Christian point of view how do we know whats going on in the realm of god and the devil. We have to take into account the age of the universe and the age of Earth along with the time mankind has been around. This might not go down well but who is to say that Jesus isnt the spawn of the Devil or that in the realms of the god and the devil there were other matters at hand that made it inevitable that action had to be taken.
    Look at the amount of times Christianity has disagreed with itself in mankinds rule and separated into different sects maybe only the very first form of Christianity is the truth and the others have been led by the devil and his demons alike. We can live a perfectly harmonious life that has been directed by the Devil aslong as he has his army for Armageddon.
     
  8. astarath

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    Umm Pharasetic Judaism was the dominant sect that ruled the courts, temples and Sanhedrin
     
  9. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    No, Sadducees did. The Pharisees had little to do with any of those.
     
  10. astarath

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    I think not the military and judicial systems were operated by the Pharisetic sect. Paul was trained and raised a Pharisee of Pharisees and was given the task of enforcing the will of the Sanhedrin to persecute Christianity.
     
  11. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    No one seems to be targeting the question.
    Why Judea? two thousand years ago?

    Why not current times?....with the internet?

    And who can say...He doesn't?
     
  12. Tree)O(Life

    Tree)O(Life New Member

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    Didnt you read my post, why do we assume that the answer is to do with us this is about God overcoming the Devil so it mustve been his choice knowing that he couldnt wait any longer Jesus may have been his last resort!
     
  13. Ben Masada

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    The Sect of the Pharisees was a very affluent Sect of Judaism, superior in number and popularity than the Sadducees. Another feature of the Sect of the Pharisees was that the Sect was absolutely forbidden to accept or enlist any kind of Hellenist Jew. That's the main reason why Paul was never a Pharisee. He was the son of well-to-do Hellenist Jews from Tarsus. Paul was too cunny, an euphemism for a liar. He himself declared that he was whatever he could be according to the circumstances. A Jew among the Jews, a Gentile among the Gentiles, a Greek among the Greeks, a Roman among the Romans. Whatever he wanted to be depending on the circumstances. The conclusion is that he was never a Pharisee. He was lying.
     
  14. astarath

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    Judging by the effect of bringing Christ when He did there seemed to be some wisdom to it. The would not be an internet if it weren't for the church.
     
  15. astarath

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    Paul himself is named a Pharisee of Pharisee trained under Gamaliel.
     
  16. Ben Masada

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    Why did God send Jesus at the time He did? He didn't. Jesus was born by will of Joseph and Mary. Since Christians deny that Joseph was his father, Pantera is only too ready to put up the claim.
     
  17. Tree)O(Life

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    [QUOTEThe would not be an internet if it weren't for the church.][/QUOTE]

    Your Saying without Christianity Mankind wouldve annihilated ourselves??
    Giving the history of Christianity.
     
  18. Tree)O(Life

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    Ben God sent his angel to tell Mary the news.
     
  19. Ben Masada

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    Really! Are you sure? What do you say about the following?

    = The Alleged Sons of God =

    According to an ancient Roman policy, any able-bodied man from the conquered lands, who joined the Roman Army, would obtain authomatic citizenship. And if he was lucky enough to reach retirement age, he could choose where he would like to spend the rest of his life, and he would be granted a piece of land or farm as severance pay for his services to the Empire. Rome excluded.

    When the Roman Legions under Pompey arrived in the Middle East and conquered Sidon, a man called Pantera applied to join the Army and was accepted. Then, he was conscripted into the Roman Legion which got stationed in Syria. When he reached retirement age, he chose to return to Sidon and got his farm there to live for the rest of his life.

    According to Josephus, in the year 4 BCE, there was a local revolt in Israel against Herod. It became known as the Revolt of the Pharisees. It was so strong that it was threatening to depose him. Herod appealed to Rome for help and Caesar gave orders to the Legion stationed in Syria to cross over into Israel and put down the revolt.

    Thousands of Roman soldiers came over and the task was quite easy. They crucified a few thousand Jews, and decided to stay for some time to make sure the discontent were subdued. In the meantime, the Roman soldiers would rape young Jewish ladies almost daily.

    As it was to expect, many children were born as a result of those rapes. Since the unfortunate mothers were not to blame for promiscuity, the religious authorities forbade to ostracize them or to consider their children as mamzerim or ba$tards. But they grew up with the epithet of "sons of God." (Lecture on the "Historical Jesus" at Stanphord University)

    Since Jesus was born just about that time, I am of the opinion that's much more prudent and less embarrassing to acknowledge that he was a biological son of Joseph's than to run the risk that Jesus might have been one of those sons of God.

    Now, regarding Mark 7:24, I have here with me two different Bible translations. One is the Catholic New American version of the Bible wherefrom I read that when Jesus went to Sidon, he would retire into a certain house and wanted no one to recognize him in there. The other translation is the King James version, wherefrom I read that when Jesus went to Sidon, he would enter into a certain house and would
    have no man know it.

    Although I am not assuming anything, everyone of us has all the right in the world to speculate about such a shouting evidence and to think that there was something fishy going on for Jesus to insist on secrecy about his being in Sidon or in that certain house. At that time Joseph had been long dead. Could it be that jesus knew about his real origins and was interacting with his real father? Everything is possible, but if you ask me, I am still in favour that he was rather a biological son of
    Joseph's.

    What's your reaction to all the above?

    Ben:
     
  20. savethedreams

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    God sent him just in the nick of time before atheism , science and age of logic arouse....
     
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