Best I can tell all of the arguments have been addressed. There is a parallel thread in the Abrahamic Religions DIR available if there is a particular perspective that you'd like to promote or pursue.
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Why did God reject Cain's offering?
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CMike
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From his bio that Jay posted.
"Thus, for Sarna, the prospect of judging the "scientific" merits of the account of Creation is misguided, and literalism especially is to be utterly rejected if an honest interaction with the texts is to be achieved (Sarna 1966, p. xxiii"
You should consider re evaluating your position.
CMike
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Secular seeks to prove not to take the Torah literally, so it fits into their agenda.
It's very similar how christians have to make it fit into their agenda.
However, this is the jewish directory, not the secular directory.
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CMike
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That's if we have the same values and/or foundation.
CMike
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So the Christian remake of the Torah is just as valid?
dantech
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I know my position, I disagree with Nahum Sarna. Just because I disagree though, doesn't mean I need to lack respect for his obvious brilliance.
dantech
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Many Orthodox rabbis will tell you that not all the Torah should be taken literally... PARDES?
PSHAT is pretty much always literal, but if you wish to get to Remez, Drash, and finally SOD, you know things will very rarely be understood literally.
I didn't say you absolutely have to agree with what these types of scholars have to say, but it should always be of interest to see what all sides have to say on a subject of interest.
dantech
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How will someone who studies torah, say for money, have the same values than someone who does it to get close to God? Obviously "Mitokh shelo lishma ba lishma" is to explain that even the one who studies it for selfish reasons will end up studying it for the right reasons.
Either way, the selfish man's opinion on the subject can possibly be brilliant, and having an open mind about at least seeing what this person has to say is the healthy way to see things. To just close your eyes and accept the opinions of only orthodox rabbis is counter-productive.
dantech
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In my opinion, it is not valid. Does this mean I shouldn't even entertain the thought of listening to what they have to say? No!
I can disagree if I want to, but I should at least listen to what they have to say.
Some Christians have impressed me in the passed with some ideas they had on certain specific verses.
Just because they change the meaning of "Ha'almah Harah" doesn't mean they are automatically wrong about everything else in the Tanakh.
Could we please to move this side discussion to a more appropriate forum :http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ism-what-makes-torah-scholar.html#post3474525
This is the Judaism DIR.
We aren't supposed to debate in DIRs though, although I'm sure we could start an uprising.
And your persistent desire to debate in this forum is not appreciated.
I don't think I've debated in this DIR.
Perhaps I was mistaken.