The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
He knew He didn't need them, nor did mankind, He gave them Jesus so we can be saved without following the 10 Commandments.
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Why Did God Make Moses
- Thread starter The Sum of Awe
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Moses was born, not made.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Maybe so, but they didn't have that that kind of biology when Moses was born. 
The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
In other words, why did God use Moses to make the 10 Commandments.
I knew you meant that, I was just teasing.
I don't know about other Christians, but I still follow the 10 Commandments. I am sure a lot of other Christians do, too.
Levite
Higher and Higher
Unless, of course, one doesn't believe in Jesus, or in the need to be "saved."
And besides, the Torah was never intended for all mankind. It was intended for the Jewish People. Non-Jews are supposed to have their own relationships with God and their own ways of doing what is right in His eyes, which may be different for non-Jews in some respects than it is for Jews.
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That's true, Levite. The Sum of Awe: Jews don't believe that Jesus is (was) the Messiah. (Well, some do, like the late Zola Levitt and other Messianic Jews).
Levite
Higher and Higher
"Messianic Judaism" is not Judaism. It's Christianity, whether the people who practice it are Jews or non-Jews.
outhouse
Atheistically
according to many historians ,,,, moses never existed.
The ten commandments are a sample of the egyptian book of the dead.
Funny moses is said to hail from egypt exactly where those commandments were in use
no brainer there
elmarna
Well-Known Member
Moses was a wise learned man.
What he did for man is not without a wporld to perceive & a great way to connect with it!
The importance of him was found in his thoughts & beliefs> He improved upon a world with getting them to see a great way.
Moses was a very complex character.
What he did for man is not without a wporld to perceive & a great way to connect with it!
The importance of him was found in his thoughts & beliefs> He improved upon a world with getting them to see a great way.
Moses was a very complex character.
gnomon
Well-Known Member
You are seriously talking about two different religions with entirely different cultural concepts here.
thebigpicture
Active Member
Thats a very logical question and it just further illustrates how the bible is filled with contradictions. What is really ridiculous is how both the Old Testament and the New Testament are in the same book as to imply that they are linked when they are, in so many ways and instances, polar opposites. Not to mention both Testaments have contradictions within themselves.
How would this make sense, though? What difference does it make who you are? Whats so different about one that the other cant do the same if neither of them makes the rules? In other words, if a teacher is in the classroom, unless there is an incapability to do so, every student has to follow the same set of rules. So, how would it make any sense for someone who controls everything to set different rules for different people when the person in charge can make rules that can apply to everyone? It just doesn't make sense.
The reason there are so many different beliefs on how to get into Heaven is because people have come up with their own set of rules. Their rules could very well be based on a foundation of true original rules, but its their own rules all the same. Thats why there are so many different sects within one religion; its because they keep changing the rules and different people go along with the set of rules that best suits them.
I just don't agree with that. But we're all entitled to different opinions. My mother is one now, that's what she calls herself.
I can't agree with it either. It's like saying members of the Chabad movement who believe in the messiahship of Rabbi Schneerson aren't Jews. Some Messianics hold beliefs that are thoroughly Jewish, with the exception that they follow Jesus as a prophet or rabbi.
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
Moses was one of the many Divine Messengers whom God has sent to humanity to renew religion and update its teachings and laws.
Simple as that.
Peace,
Bruce
The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Moses was one of the many Divine Messengers whom God has sent to humanity to renew religion and update its teachings and laws.
Simple as that.
Peace,
Bruce
Why update if God has a divine plan?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
It's part of the plan. Obviously.
The Sum of Awe
Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
It's part of the plan. Obviously.
But why not just jump to the conclusion instead of sticking to the whole plan?
He is planning it but takes the long way around.
Levite
Higher and Higher
It makes a difference because Jews don't believe that Jesus was divine, or a prophet, or had any greater link to God than any other human being. And what his followers teach is contradictory to the Jewish way, which we believe God does wish us to follow. We also don't believe in a concept of "original sin," from which we would require "salvation."
Obviously, if non-Jews choose to believe those things, that is none of our affair. And there is nothing in mainstream Jewish understanding of other faiths that says that if non-Jews believe that, and do right and good in the world, that God won't reward them: as long as they do the right and the good, we think He likely will reward them just the same, incorrect theology notwithstanding. But non-Jews are free to do and believe many things which Jews are not free to do or believe: that is the nature of our covenant with God.
The real question isn't the messiahship, either of Jesus or the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Believing that either of them was the messiah makes one a heretic, but not necessarily an apostate. Believing that either was a prophet verges upon apostasy, because Judaism is quite clear that the age of prophets ended with Ezra and Nehemiah, and there will be no more prophets until the age of the messiah, who clearly has not come yet, because none of the things that the messiah is expected to do have been done yet.
The real question is supernatural essence and divinity. Claiming that either Jesus or the Lubavitcher Rebbe did or will rise from the dead is incompatible with Jewish belief. And claiming that either is, in any form, or any shape, or any partial way, God, is utterly incompatible with Jewish belief.
There are many Jews who decry messianist Lubavtichers for their heretical claims about the Lubavitcher Rebbe, and rightly so, since those claims are unhelpful to the Jewish People. But those are nothing compared to the problematic nature of Jews for Jesus. This is an organization that proselytizes and missionizes amongst young Jews, and convinces them that somehow, Christian beliefs can be Jewish. They make assertions about the nature of their heresy which are profoundly at odds with not only many core Jewish beliefs, but also the stance that Judaism has universally taken over the past 1800-odd years to distance itself from Christianity. In this era of Jewish ignorance and assimilation, with the numbers of observant Jews still sharply lessened after WWII, it is critical that no confusion be allowed to take root, ensnaring our younger generations, and leading even more Jews away from the fold. They are insidious.
I have met some Messianic Jews who claim not to believe in Jesus' divinity, and to decry J4J missionizing amongst young Jews; and while I applaud that as a step in the right direction, it still does not make their beliefs anything more than Jewish heresy at best, and mere Christianity at worst. I have no problems with non-Jews choosing to embrace more elements of Judaism into their Christian practice: it just needs to be clear that that doesn't make it Judaism.
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